Left, Right, and Center: The Daily’s columnists discuss the Justice Department memos on torture
May 12, 2009
Conservative
By Nick Jacob
Before I delve into the details of the Department of Justice memos that were released in April by President Obama, I want to ask a simple question: How many of you can honestly say that you care about what happened to Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM), the mastermind behind 9/11? Abandon your political predispositions, and think about it for a minute.
This is a man who not only constructed a plot that led to the annihilation of 3,000 of our fellow citizens, but also admitted to beheading U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl. This is a man who deserved the worst kind of torture imaginable. Instead, KSM got off easy. The harshest punishment he was subjected to in U.S. custody was waterboarding, a practice that simulates drowning and instills fear but inflicts no real damage. It is also a practice that our own military uses on Navy Seals during training.
When KSM was first captured back in 2003, the CIA held off on using any enhanced interrogation techniques (EITs). When they would ask him if al-Qaida was planning any future attacks, he would simply reply, “Soon you will find out.” It quickly became clear that the use of EITs would be necessary in order to gain any information from him.
In 2002, the CIA requested legal advice from the Bush administration on how far they could legally go to extract information from high-level members of al-Qaida. Their goal was to gain as much intelligence as possible without violating the Convention Against Torture, which was ratified by the United States in 1994. To implement the convention, Congress added two sections to U.S. Criminal Code. These sections criminalized acts of torture occurring outside the United States. “Torture” was defined, according to the code, as the intent to “inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering” upon a person in custody. What exactly constituted “severe physical or mental pain or suffering” was the question that the Bush administration needed to answer.
This task was left to three lawyers within the administration. In a memo that came to be known as the “Bybee memo,” the lawyers wrote that, to constitute torture, physical pain must be “equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death.” In addition, they wrote that for mental pain or suffering to amount to torture, “it must result in significant psychological harm of significant duration.” They also wrote that threats of death or physical torture and the use of mind-altering drugs would constitute torture.
At issue today is their interpretation, which the Bush administration used to justify their use of EITs. While the code defines “severe mental pain or suffering,” it does not define what constitutes “severe physical pain.” Even with this constraint, the three lawyers still came up with a reasonable definition that allowed CIA interrogators to effectively do their jobs, while still respecting and working inside the law.
From this came another memo detailing 10 EITs deemed legal for the CIA to use on high-level al-Qaida operatives. Among them were techniques such as stress positions, sleep deprivation and waterboarding. While all have received extensive coverage, no technique has received more coverage than waterboarding.
Waterboarding received such extensive coverage that you might think its use by the CIA was routine. However, it was revealed in 2007 by the CIA that waterboarding had been used just three times, each time against high-level al-Qaida operatives. The CIA later said the technique yielded valuable information from the operatives that likely saved American lives. This is what makes liberals’ outrage so comical. They know waterboarding worked, but they’ve decided not to acknowledge that. Instead, they’re choosing to go after the Bush administration for “torturing” our enemies. This is highly irresponsible — and to pretend to have the moral high ground on this issue is disingenuous.
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is the guiltiest of all in regards to this. While publicly deriding Bush for the EIT program, she’d actually known about it since 2002 — as was revealed by the Washington Post — when she was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. I would like to applaud Ms. Pelosi for not blocking the EIT program, even though she’s now backtracking on her support. Well done, Madam Speaker.
Along with waterboarding, we know that the use of the nine other EITs yielded valuable information as well. On April 16, Dennis Blair, the president’s director of national intelligence, wrote a letter to members of the intelligence community stating, “High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used.” Even so, Obama recently decided to shut down the program.
The president’s number-one goal is to protect and defend the country and its citizens. Whether or not Mr. Obama will be able to do this as effectively without the use of the EIT program remains to be seen. If he is, then congratulations are in order. If not, then the next series of questions on harsh interrogation methods will be pointed at him, and not at former President Bush.
Reach columnist Nick Jacob at opinion@dailyuw.com.
Liberal
By Chris Jordan
The torture memos released by the U.S. Justice Department revealed deeply troubling techniques used in CIA interrogations of “enemy combatants” during the Bush years. According to the memos, these techniques included keeping detainees awake for 11 days straight and placing them in dark, cramped boxes with insects. It was also revealed that waterboarding was used on several detainees, including 183 times on Khalid Sheikh Mohammad.
Releasing these memos was a critical step toward bringing transparency to an illegal operation that had been undermining the United States’ image and moral leadership abroad. Admitting that mistakes were made and bringing the conduct into the light is essential for preventing mistakes from recurring in the future.
The release of the memos sparking debate about what implications these documents may have regarding prosecution of Bush administration officials. The first step lies in answering some of the most fundamental questions of the debate: Is torture illegal? Is waterboarding torture?
The answer to the first question is clear. There’s no getting around it: Torture is illegal. The Eighth Amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. The Geneva Conventions also prohibit the use of torture on prisoners of war.
Many have argued that the detainees in question are not entitled to Constitutional or Geneva protections because they are classified as “enemy combatants” instead of “prisoners of war.” Even so, the United States has signed the Convention Against Torture (CAT), which legally compels all signatories to refrain from using torture on any person. The United States also signed the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and passed the Torture Act and War Crimes Act. All of these laws, covenants and treaties make the use of torture by Americans unquestionably illegal, whether torture is used on Americans or non-U.S. victims.
Waterboarding is considered torture by governments, legal experts, military judges, intelligence officials and political figures from all over the spectrum. During the Republican primary, Republican Sen. John McCain said, “Anyone who knows what waterboarding is could not be unsure. It is a horrible torture technique. … We are a better nation than that.”
The widely used definition of torture articulated in CAT is: “Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession.”
It seems clear that waterboarding does inflict “severe mental pain or suffering” for the purpose of obtaining information. Hence, it fits the definition of torture laid out in the convention.
If torture is illegal, and waterboarding is torture, then there are likely senior U.S. officials from the Bush administration who authorized illegal acts.
Many on the left have clamored for President Bush and others to be tried as war criminals for these actions. After all, the United States tried Japanese soldiers as war criminals for using waterboarding against Americans during WWII.
While I see the wisdom in going ahead with prosecutions, we must consider the consequences. Trying an American president as a war criminal would be incredibly divisive and exacerbate existing partisan divisions. Americans want to move forward, not look back.
At the same time, allowing those who authorized illegal torture techniques to get away with no accountability would set a dangerous precedent for the future.
The United States should take Sen. Patrick Leahy’s recommendation and authorize a Truth Commission to investigate the alleged abuses of the Bush administration. This way, the American people could get the answers they deserve without the divisiveness and dangers posed by prosecution.
We should never cease to recognize the many great achievements of the United States throughout history, but we should also strive to hold ourselves to highest standards and speak up when something is wrong and needs to change. The United States is better than torture, and we can defeat terrorism without it. We cannot let this issue fade away without holding our government in some way accountable.
Reach columnist Chris Jordan at opinion@dailyuw.com.
Moderate
By Katie Paff
Talk of possible prosecution of former Bush administration officials over harsh interrogation tactics — that many say constitute torture — has been buzzing around the news cycle for weeks. Sanity seems to be prevailing, as the U.S. Justice Department officials are reportedly against such action. It would be wise for Attorney General Eric Holder to accept these recommendations.
President Obama has ruled out prosecuting the CIA agents who actually performed the interrogations, and it would not be the top decision-makers, like former President George W. Bush or former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who would be held on trial. Instead, the lower-down lawyers who actually constructed the legal framework would be tried. To prosecute the middlemen like John Yoo and Jay Bybee would be ridiculous.
At this point, the critical test is whether or not the Jusice Department requests disbarment proceedings for the lawyers involved. This would be evidence that the Justice Department believes they were acting in bad faith and willfully twisted legal logic to reach their desired conclusion. Otherwise, it is crucial that the recriminations stop.
In an era of unprecedented economic hardship, it’s easy to point fingers. Instead of focusing on the actions of lower-level officials from the previous administration, the Democrats should instead seek a way to bring terrorists to justice outside of U.S. civilian courts, so torture doesn’t come into the equation in the first place. Furthermore, the administration should focus on domestic issues, such as fixing the ailing economy.
While it’s easy for the Obama administration to be distracted by the hand-wringing and calls for blood, going forward with prosecution could actually be risky, especially since it is so early in the presidency. If Obama chooses to go ahead with this, it will detract from his important and ambitious agenda for domestic affairs and will take attention away from other national crises.
As Robert Gibbs said in a press conference in April: “We don’t doubt that we can learn from history. But there’s an economic crisis, there’s a crisis in unemployment, there’s a financial-stability crisis, there’s a home-foreclosure crisis. History, … will be left up to historians.”
Although Democrats in Congress appear eager to conduct investigations, public opinion does not appear to be in favor of them. In April, polls showed that the largest majority of people were in opposition to investigating the military or intelligence personnel who performed interrogations. If Obama chooses to go against public opinion, it could mean an early end to his high approval ratings, especially from independent voters.
Perhaps in the future, it might be worth looking into further. However, right now the country needs Obama to remain 100 percent focused on doing everything in his power to bring us out of this recession and help the economy return to normal. In an alternate universe in which we weren’t in such a severe recession, it might be an entirely different situation. But right now, the president’s eye needs to remain on the ball. It is time to look forward.
Reach columnist Katie Paff at opinion@dailyuw.com.
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The amount of usage is irrelevant; waterboarding has been known to be illegal for decades, and most experts state that such methods are generally unreliable due to the high chances of incorrect information gained.
Opponents of waterboarding haven't made a convincing case that its use against KSM, et. al. generated false information or was otherwise tactically ineffective.
Such information would usually be pieced together with and against other intelligence sources and not evaluated in isolation.
If you want to discuss the effectiveness of torture, which these EITs are, then a good place to start would be the military, who initially refused these techniques. Or former federal Agent Ali Soufan who has already indicated how these techniques win us nothing.
The funny thing is that a conservative icon, Reagan, signed and championed the UN convention on torture. Now Republicans can't fall over themselves fast enough to excuse the torture of people we don't like.
The first sign that the previous administration was torturing was that they turned only to lawyers to determine what severe mental and physical pain and suffering were. Not psychologist or doctors.
The best interrogators of the last century never had to lay a hand on their captives to extract valuable information, I thought conservatives looked to the past and tradition as things to respect and follow but I suppose that too is a thing of the past.
Given your call for an emotional response in the opening of the piece rather than reason I leave you with one post script: Torture has nothing to do with captives and everything to do with the captor.
Chaz, I call for both emotion AND reason.
Nick,
I know, which is what the first part of my post was about. The last bit was in reference to an emotional argument that doesn't belong with your "rational" argument. If this is about security, as you claim, then emotion isn't necessary.
If it is about morality ...well I doubt you really want to argue that causing pain and suffering is at all morally appropriate so I'd assume your call of sentimentalization was misplaced.
I'm going to start a LLC called, "Christians For Torture." I'm going to make millions.
I think it's perfectly valid to ask people to think about their true emotions in regards to the treatment of a terrorist who masterminded a plot that resulted in the murder of thousands of Americans.
I also think it's valid to ask them whether they think waterboarding is really THAT bad in retrospect. I mean, in terms of what we could have done to this guy, KSM got off easy. He deserved much worse, and yet we were restrained in our interrogation of him.
That's where I tie rationality in with emotion.
I deleted Daniel's comment on Facebook, so he came here to post it. He must really get a kick out of that line.
And I'm not sure how he'd make money off that LLC --but I digress.
Russ,
I'd say that proponents of waterboarding and other EIT haven't made the case that they generated good intelligence that could not be obtained any other way. Most of the info about EIT's effectiveness is from secondhand sources (i.e. former CIA agents, FBI agents, etc) who are probably not unbiased in their assessments. Why is Dick Cheney's assertion more believable than FBI Agent Ali Soufans? (see http://www.newsweek.com/id/195089)
What I'm more concerned about is that the apparent 'success' of these EIT's led the Bush administration to expand (or at least not prohibit) their application in Iraq or Afghanistan (see http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22614). As more information is released its becoming easier to find a link between the Bush administration's policies and various abuses such as Abu Ghraib.
"Most of the info about EIT's effectiveness is from secondhand sources"
Mike, that's simply not true. Dennis Blair is not a secondhand source. Neither is Michael Mukasey, Michael Hayden, or George Tenet.
Btw, do you know where the Red Cross got their information that made up their report?
The terrorists themselves.
Now there's a reliable bunch with no reason whatsoever to lie!
The "success" of EIT's is a logical fallacy. The proof is as relative as the term "severe".
In other words, measuring Obama's success by whether we get attacked or not is as silly as blaming the Republican party for 2,900+ innocent lives lost on 9/11.
Actually Daniel, it's not silly at all. If a future attack happens because we weren't able to use EIT's to get info from terrorists, then Obama will have some questions to answer. We're currently in a war. We weren't in a war on 9/11.
I believe it is painfully clear that we need to create a professional cadre of EIT technicians.
The Foster School could offer this as a two-year professional certificate program (possibly as a night school degree to fit the schedule of working folks).
I see this a growth industry. With the shrinking economy, we should keep every option open for the benefit of the small-businessman and woman.
Though the CIA may be relatively new in the actual, physical administration of these new technologies, they have a rich tradition of developing symbiotic partnerships with EIT Nation-States in Latin America, Central America, Africa, Asia, the Far East, Southeast Asia and Oceania.
I advocate bringing key EIT technicians from public sphere into private industry - to tap into the wellspring of institutional EIT knowledge and practice, but have those routines self-correct within the dynamic, competitive environment of the free market.
And, too, integrate different departments into to this effort. First-year med school students and honors students from the behavioral sciences could attend EIT seminars and practicums so that we have a truly cross-disciplinary spectrum of expertise informing the administration of local, regional, and national EIT Centers.
Kudos to Sean K. Pragmatism at it's finest. ;)
In response to Daniel and "Christians for Torture", I'm pretty sure the first person to give you a big, fat check, would be Nick Jacob. He's really sick (as evidenced by this op/ed in defense of torture).
Cameron wrote this on my FB wall earlier today:
"I hope you regret writing this. I'm confident that you're going to hell (if such a place exists)."
Lol, I love liberal tolerance.
Yeah cheap shot.
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Nick makes some compelling points either in support of use of torture, or in support of the idea that waterboarding wasn't employed much and is not equal to torture.
A reasoned defense doesn't make him right.
I wrote a piece that is quite relevant to the discussion here, questioning Christians (like Nick Jacob) who disregard their faith and give a free pass to torture. It seems they'll give up liberty in the name of security, and for that reason, they're on the wrong side of history. We'll look back on this torture as a (small but tangible) black mark.
"Obvious: Why American Christians so often support torturing people"
http://www.cameronnewland.com/2009/05...
"An unchristian response to torture, by William Pitts, Jr."
Uhh, how is letting KSM get waterboarded giving up our liberties? Are people getting waterboarded in police stations now because of it? Nope.
The liberties of captured terrorists =! our liberties, unless you think waterboarding KSM is metaphorically waterboarding the American people.
Torture is a war crime Russ.
If you find that principle too rigid and "unrealistic" don't despair! You are in good company. It won't dim your career prospects or diminish the opportunity to write policy papers for nation-states that find human rights edicts annoying and downright inefficient.
It's a good thing we don't torture then, isn't is Sean?
Willful ignorance, Nick:
http://www.truthout.org/051609Y
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22530
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#1 Adam D.
(Seattle, WA)
on May 12, 2009 at 1:08 a.m.