The Daily of the University of Washington

The U-District Defenders ain’t going out like that


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“I ain’t going out like that.” Those are the words of American poet, Cypress Hill front man and proselyte of self-defense Mr. B-Real. After Mr. B-Real’s parents immigrated from Mexico and Cuba, he was thrust into the mean streets of South Central Los Angeles. There, he lived a hard life as an associate of the gang the Los Angeles Bloods and wrote the above profundity in response to being shot in the lung with a .22-caliber pistol.

Stanley Luong is another advocate of self-defense. Like the famous rapper, Luong’s family didn’t immigrate from the suburbs, but from a third-world country. Unlike the rapper, Luong didn’t turn to selling drugs or gangbanging. He chose to pursue an education at one of the United States’ finest universities and became a Husky.

Still, that didn’t insulate Luong from the mean and increasingly violent streets of the U-District at night. He has been robbed four times by aggressors with deadly weapons. On one occasion, he was pistol-whipped across the face, and he will forever bear the scar to remind him of this humiliation.

Now he wants to carry a legal firearm for protection. He even started a student group, “University District Defenders,” which is little more than a Facebook group aimed at making certain that students understand how to properly use their perfectly legal concealed weapons.

As you would guess, the legions of students who have never suffered the indignity of having their bodily integrity violated by deadly force are complaining about his choice. In a recent column in The Daily, one of my fellow columnists wrote, “It’s one thing to walk around with a gun where it is allowed. The Second Amendment grants us that right. But a bunch of untrained individuals armed with weapons walking around the U-District?”

However, the University District Defenders’ only intent is to carry weapons where it is already legal. More importantly, the Second Amendment doesn’t grant Luong the right to carry a firearm. His right already exists; the Second Amendment simply protects it.

So what’s the kerfuffle about? To begin with, the original name of Luong’s group was “University District Vigilantes.” That probably wasn’t the best choice for a student who wants to encourage popular support, but having your head torn open by a pistol is likely to elicit such sentiment. Secondly, Facebook shut the group down for “violating” its nebulous terms of use, encouraging students to look upon Luong’s group as extreme.

Not every student is complaining, however. Frequent pedestrian and UW law student Thomas Hackett said, “I would trust those boys to protect me when I’m walking through rough patches at night. What’s their number?”

Stanley Luong can now defend his physical integrity with the kind of force that assailants have employed to breach it. The next criminal who mistakes his positive demeanor or diminutive form for weakness will find that he just ain’t going out like that. Now, Luong gets to decide for himself whether someone will break the bones in his face, violate his body, or exact violence on his possessions. He doesn’t have to use his firearm if he doesn’t think it is safe, but at least he can finally express the sentiment of another luminary in the music industry: Metallica. As their song says, “Don’t tread on me.”

Reach contributing columnist Greg Albert at opinion@dailyuw.com.



8 Comments

#1 Sean

on November 16, 2009 at 11:29 p.m.

Greg, Greg, Greg, where do I begin. No disrespect meant to Mr. Luong, but I've lived here over twenty years and have evaded the bad people. But then I've also worked as a photographer in the Middle East and had to stay safe WITHOUT a gun. (It is not so difficult) I regret that this student has had the experiences he has had but the place to start is with his approach to how he moves in the neighborhood, not carrying a gun.

I have posted against this whole thing from the beginning but I wish to be clear that I have been a witness to a shooting in this neighborhood and one of my upstairs neighbors was violently mugged last winter. I am well aware of the full scope of recent history. I am also well aware that this is not Detroit or Washington DC and that we do look out for one another here better than in a lot of locales.

The seriousness of using a gun is complex and situation specific. If use of force is as complicated as it is for a police officer than it is certainly not less so for someone in their early twenties who just lives here for awhile. Again, the enormity of the gulf between talking the way you are talking and actually using a gun in a crowded city neighborhood in a street situation is so big I can't even put it into words for you here.

With respect, carrying a gun and making yourself and this neighborhood safer are two very different things. Best to you but do not hurt the rest of us with your actions in this neighborhood.

#2 knucklehead

on November 17, 2009 at 12:16 p.m.

Mugged four times?

This Stanley guy is clearly doing something wrong.

I feel safer with guys like Stanley walking around at night, not because he has a gun, but because he'll look like a much better target.

Stanley's defender club should share information about what he was doing all those times he got mugged. Since he's got more experience with it than the rest of us.

#3 Micah

on November 17, 2009 at 12:24 p.m.

Amen to this article! Sean and Knucklehead, good for you, you have avoided being mugged. Now why should we all think like you? You are both committing an ecological fallacy - "my experience must reflect the experience of everyone in the population" - that makes your comments pretty much meaningless.

So remember, your pissant comments against legal concealed carry will come to nothing. We have the constitution on our side. Suck it.

#4 Christine

on November 17, 2009 at 12:51 p.m.

Micah..."We have the constitution on our side. Suck it." Hilarious!

Sean Sean Sean, if the streets were crowded, he wouldn't be getting mugged. You can't have it both ways. Nice try.

Being "a photographer in the middle east" doesn't mean you have come across danger. You could have worked for a scenic resort in Dubai. Way to play on people's fear of the middle east. Nice try.

Maybe he shouldn't adjust "how he moves in the neighborhood." Maybe he isn't the Spiderman that you are. Maybe he has a right to walk from A to B without cowardly weaving among the shadows like you. And if someone steps to him with a knife, maybe he has the right to point a gun at them.

The reason using a firearm is so complicated for the police is because they are agents of the government, which keeps them from being able to use it the way that normal citizens are allowed to. So, you're wrong.

It's too bad that "gulf" is so big that you can't put it in words, because that makes it sound like you don't know how.

#5 Sean K.

on November 17, 2009 at 8:41 p.m.

There are almost 300,000,000 privately owned firearms in America.

We need more.

#6 knucklehead

on November 17, 2009 at 10:26 p.m.

My comment had nothing to do with conceal and carry. It had everything to do with how ridiculous it is that the same dude got mugged four times.

Carry a gun, carry a knife, form a defenders club, duct tape a grenade to your wallet, or wear a cape and call yourself Batman. I don't care what other people do to feel safe. That's not my problem.

#7 Kuzma

on November 18, 2009 at 9:45 a.m.

Hey Sean, what do you care how many guns there are in America? If you don't like them, don't buy one. Just don't be asking for protection when the zombies attack.

#8 M Harris

on November 20, 2009 at 2:30 p.m.

Those people who are against gun-carrying need to become more educated. They are also going to be the ones who whine and cry the loudest if something happens to them and no one is there to defend them. The police cannot get there in time!!! Get a clue! I am a 63 year old women who is trained and will carry. I will NOT be a victim or become a stastic. It has happend twice before in 2 very nice areas. Crime cannot conciously be avoided.


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