By
Anthony Shelley
April 14, 2008
Last Saturday, members of the group Anonymous staged a protest against the Church of Scientology. Protesters were upset with aspects of the Church’s doctrine, which purportedly breaks up families.
The protest is the third in a series of demonstrations against the Church of Scientology in the Seattle area and worldwide.
The group trekked from Key Arena and ended their march in front of the Church, a mostly red brick building with several cameras perched on its roof. Demonstrators stood alongside Aurora Avenue, waved signs, ate chocolate cake, and cheered as drivers honked their horns in support.
“Well, it’s a good waste of a beautiful day,” said Sandy Finn, a longtime member of the Church, when asked what she thought about the crowd outside. “I don’t really know what the issue is. It appears that the age group seems to be between 16 and 22. They’re not Scientologists. They have nothing better to do.”
What makes Anonymous protests unusual is the group’s strong condition of anonymity and their work in Internet vigilantism. Anonymous is an organization that lacks a leader. Its members wear various masks and disguises to protect their identities from what they perceive as a genuine threat from the Church; parishioners of the Church also view Anonymous as equally threatening and accuse the group of cyber-terrorism.
Enigma, an Anonymous member, expected 100 to 150 people to show up for the protest.
Enigma and members of Anonymous strongly disagree with the Church’s policies and tax exemptions.
Their most recent protest brings attention to the Church’s “disconnection policy,” a policy described as a practice “that any Church member who has family and friends that disagreed with Church policy should be removed entirely from that person’s life” according to a forwarded email.
“[The disconnection policy] has broken up many families; this is part of why the Church is considered a cult,” the email states.
In retaliation, the Church of Scientology released a statement explaining that Anonymous “destroyed the Web sites of thousands of MySpace users” and perpetrates “religious hate crimes … for no reason other than religious bigotry.” The Church claims that Anonymous attempts to suppress “free speech through illegal assaults on Church Web sites so as to prevent Internet users from obtaining information from the Church.”
“I’ve been a critic of Scientology for a long time,” Enigma said. “Anonymous has really allowed everyone to voice their opinion without being subjected to Fair Game by the [Church of Scientology].”
According to Norway-based Operation Clambake, a Web site that offers information critical of Scientology, Fair Game is a previously banned practice against so-called enemies of the Church.
Church documents reveal that enemies are considered “fair game” and “May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”
Church documents also show that Fair Game was eventually cancelled affirming that “The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations.”
However, Operation Clambake argues that the document “only cancels the use of the term ‘Fair Game.’ It states clearly that the practice described in the policy … is not cancelled. The Church of Scientology does not change anything because it’s wrong … they change it because it gives bad [public relations].”
Anonymous also believes that the Church continues its policy of Fair Game to this day.
The conflict between Anonymous and the Church of Scientology began in February 2008 when Anonymous posted a declaration against the Church in response to a leaked video of Scientology advocate and celebrity Tom Cruise.
Since then, the Church has worked to keep anything related to its doctrine off the Web “‘due to a copyright complaint from the Church of Scientology’ which makes it very difficult for normal people to understand what is going on” according to Anonymous.
Anonymous added that the Church “went so far as to try to get a restraining order against all protestors.”
“They really attack ruthlessly with their lawyers,” Enigma said describing Church tactics. “They ruthlessly attack any critic, anyone of the church.”
The Church of Scientology produced a DVD to counter claims made by Anonymous and released audio clips of assumed Anonymous callers avowing violence, declaring to the Church that “Death will come” and “You should fucking kill yourself” among millions of expletive-laced phone calls, death threats, bomb threats, emails, acts of vandalism, and derogatory faxes.
Finn equated the demonstrators against the Church with former members of other faiths such as Catholicism and Buddhism. She pointed out that all faiths will have ex-members who will speak out against past beliefs.
“You find that in all religions,” Finn said.
The struggle between the Church and Anonymous won’t end anytime soon. Both sides don’t intend to step down from their accusations and the escalating rhetoric is becoming stronger if not nastier.
“These people that are in [the Church of Scientology] are trained not to look,” a former Scientologist and protestor said. “They’re trained not to think. They’re drones coming off the assembly line cross-eyed.”
You can read more about the Seattle Church of Scientology at www.scientology-seattle.org and its main headquarters at www.scientology.org/home.html.
You can also find out more about Anonymous by visiting www.whyweprotest.org and www.enturbulation.org. The local Seattle Anonymous forum is www.lulznw.com.
[Contact Anthony Shelley at news@thedaily.washington.edu.]
87 Comments
#1 Anoynymause
on April 13, 2008 at 11:46 p.m.(Moncton, Canada | Unverified Name)
I'd like to point out that the Church of Scientology has not been making any remarks on the accusations that're being made. Instead, they chose to slander and attack Anonymous. Why won't they adress our questions and issues, directly and clearly?
#2 Anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 12:07 a.m.(Amherst, MA | Unverified Name)
Agreed. Enough with the ad hominem arguments, Scientology.
#3 RickWin
on April 14, 2008 at 12:08 a.m.(Bentley, Australia | Unverified Name)
First it's kids with nothing better to do. Than it's international terrorists. Then it's religious bigots. Then it's embittered old members.
PICK ONE SCIENTOLOGY - they seem to know what you are.
#4 Anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 12:10 a.m.(Christchurch, New Zealand | Unverified Name)
The claims by spokespeople for the Church of Scientology that Anonymous are religiously bigoted domestic terrorists would go down a lot better if we weren't giving free hugs to members of any denomination of faith and food to the homeless.
#5 Xenu
on April 14, 2008 at 12:15 a.m.(Sydney, Australia | Unverified Name)
Seems like the Church is spending an heap of money on security, private investigators to follow people home, running a PR disaster recovery campaign as well as producing a DVD publicly naming people who attend the protests, not to mention making false police charges against certain people (so much for no 'free game'), on a bunch of kids with nothing better to do.
#6 Anony-moose
on April 14, 2008 at 12:16 a.m.(Nerang, Australia | Unverified Name)
What RickWin said. The Anonymous message has been clear-cut and consistent; the Church of Scientology can't seem to decide on whether they want to deride the protesters as bored teens or hard-core terrorists!
#7 Longcat
on April 14, 2008 at 12:27 a.m.(Herndon, VA | Unverified Name)
No yellow vans are safe from Anonymous.
#8 Suomynona
on April 14, 2008 at 12:27 a.m.(Steilacoom, WA | Unverified Name)
Thanks to the author for being balanced rather than accusatory, much appreciated.
I'd also like to know why Scientology is throwing accusations and hate around. It's also a bit sad that the representative is disparaging our activism, when she stood around and watched all day. Perhaps she needs a hug. We have been giving those out freely.
#9 Anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 12:37 a.m.(Seattle, WA | Unverified Name)
For the nth time, we have no objection to Scientologists or anyone else holding whatever beliefs they like. What we protest is the harmful policies and illegal actions of the organization and its executives -- hating crime is not a hate crime. Furthermore, I would remind you that Anonymous doesn't regard the so-called Church to be a religious organization in the first place, so charges of "religious bigotry" don't make sense here.
#10 Mark A. Bian
on April 14, 2008 at 12:40 a.m.(Englewood, CO | Unverified Name)
In response to this quote from the article:
[[[[ In retaliation, the Church of Scientology released a statement explaining that Anonymous “destroyed the Web sites of thousands of MySpace users” and perpetrates “religious hate crimes … for no reason other than religious bigotry.” ]]]]
I submit the following:
U.S. v Kuch 288 F Sup. 439 (1968):
"Those who seek constitutional protections for their participation in an establishment of religion and freedom to practice its beliefs must not be permitted the special freedoms this special sanctuary may provide merely by adopting religious nomenclature and cynically using it as a shield to protect them when participating in anti social conduct that otherwise stands condemned."
#11 Jeff
on April 14, 2008 at 12:49 a.m.(Issaquah, WA | Unverified Name)
Organized religion harms America!
#12 Anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 12:56 a.m.(Troy, NY | Unverified Name)
The "Church" of Scientology only knows how to cast doubt on its critics. It's incapable of defending itself against the claims because they are completely true, so they resort to ridiculous attacks. They'll do anything to draw attention away from what people are saying about them.
#13 Anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 1:32 a.m.(Adelaide, Australia | Unverified Name)
Greetings from Australia. I would like to congratulate this publication and others like this in the United States of America for publishing articles such as this. Unfortunately, here in Australia our large and monthly protests are widly ignored by our printed and electronic media. Interestingly enough, a major stake holder of the Australian organisation News Limited happens to be a Scientologist. Thankfully due to the internet - where knowledge is FREE - articles such as this are readily available to those who wish to seek them.
#14 Terryeo
on April 14, 2008 at 1:45 a.m.(Alameda, CA | Unverified Name)
The most obvious element in the various Anonymous' postings is the disparity. Why don't you all get yourselves over to a public library and check out some of the Scientology books you find there. You're protesting because someone has emotionally worked you up. Yet you remain relatively ignorant of the actual situation. This sort of thing has been hammered out for years on Wikipedia. People with a vested $$$ interest pay big bandwidth money to make their emotional criticisms. But their criticism isn't the whole situation. If it were, the Church wouldn't be successful. What, do you think that people who win with Scientology think differently than you do?
#15 Terryeo
on April 14, 2008 at 1:56 a.m.(Grass Valley, CA | Unverified Name)
HAHA, DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS
#16 Anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 2:19 a.m.(North Vancouver, Canada | Unverified Name)
In after Terryeo.
Good to see you're still out and about posting your hollow propaganda. We haven't seen you posting for a while and were beginning to worry your stats were too low and you'd been sent off to one of the many Scientology RPF Slave Labor Camps for your poor performance.
While you're suggesting reading materials, might I suggest everyone head on over to wikileaks and see leaked Scientology documents that show the TRUTH about the corrupt and greedy con that is Scientology?
And before you try your usual claims of "biased and untrue information" please note that Scientology threatened to sue wikileaks for releasing these documents not because they are libelous (they aren't - the truth is not libel) but because Scientology claims copyright on them. Scientology's own lawyers have confirmed the leaked documents at wikileaks are genuine.
And these documents at wikileaks not only prove the truth of everything the critics of Scientology have claimed over the years, but that Scientology is even worse than the critics have said.
Scientology is not worse than you imagine; it's worse than you CAN imagine.
#17 Anon999
on April 14, 2008 at 2:35 a.m.(UW Campus | Unverified Name)
Great article, cool to see it coming from my University, I hope it's in the paper tomorrow :D
#18 NotTerryeo
on April 14, 2008 at 2:40 a.m.(Zierikzee, Netherlands | Unverified Name)
I support this article. The Scientology internet-poster known as Terryeo does not.
#19 Jimmy Lightfield
on April 14, 2008 at 2:49 a.m.(Sydney, Australia | Unverified Name)
Thank you for your fair and balanced article. Anonymous seems to be a very unusual group, but I think they have a point when they speak out against Scientology.
From what I have read, there is something seriously wrong with the practices and policies of the Church of Scientology.
#20 laamis
on April 14, 2008 at 3:51 a.m.(Helsinki, Finland | Unverified Name)
pretty good article... i hope people would find out more about scientology, it's really scary organisation what with all the fair gaming and disconnection policies etc.
ps i know it's not called fair gaming anymore, because of the bad PR it got.
#21 Thirsty Thetan
on April 14, 2008 at 4:47 a.m.(Memphis, TN | Unverified Name)
Fair game doesn't exist anymore, huh? Not so. Read it in Hubtard's own policy letter. Only the Fair Game declaration was eliminated because of bad PR; the policy itself was not cancelled.
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO Policy Letter of 21 October 1968
CANCELLATION OF FAIR GAME
The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease.
FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations.
This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP.
LRH:ci:cden L. RON HUBBARD
Copyright (c) 1968 Founder
by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
#22 Thirsty Thetan
on April 14, 2008 at 5:05 a.m.(Memphis, TN | Unverified Name)
For the sake of clarity, the following is the original policy letter containing the FAIR GAME policy:
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO Policy Letter of 18 October 1967,
Issue IV
Remimeo
PENALTIES FOR LOWER CONDITIONS
(Applies both Orgs and Sea Org)
LIABILITY Suspension of pay and a dirty grey rag on left arm and day
and night confinement to org premises.
TREASON Suspension of pay and deprivation of all uniforms and insignia,
a black mark on left cheek and confinement on org premises or
dismissal from post and debarment from premises.
DOUBT Debarment from premises. Not to be employed. Payment of fine
amounting to any sum may have cost org. Not to be trained or
processed. Not to be communicated or argue with.
ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by
any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the
Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.
LRH:jp L. RON HUBBARD
Copyright (c) 1967 Founder
by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
#23 Jason_Bourne
on April 14, 2008 at 5:23 a.m.(Franklin Square, NY | Unverified Name)
I support the study of Dianetics. Everyone in this country should be allowed to practice their faith. However, why should you pay such exuberant costs? Could someone help me answer this?
"Make money. Make more money. Make others produce so as to make money . . . However you get them in or why, just do it." and "Make sure that lots of bodies move through the shop,"
– L. Ron Hubbard
#24 Kees de Kort
on April 14, 2008 at 5:29 a.m.(Wageningen, Netherlands | Unverified Name)
If there is nothing wrong with Scientology, why does it work so hard to silence its critics?
If there is nothing wrong with Scientology, why does it slander, intimidate and harass vocal critics of the 'church'?
If there is nothing wrong with Scientology, why are members not allowed to read or listen any material that's critical of the 'church'?
If there is nothing wrong with Scientology, why are members forced to disconnect with anyone critical (or simply not positive enough) of the 'church'?
If there is nothing wrong with Scientology, why are any signs of critical thinking in its members immediately squashed by the 'ethics officer' or even the Rehabilitation Project Force?
The world wants answers.
#25 Anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 6:10 a.m.(Woodstock, IL | Unverified Name)
United as one.
Divided by zero.
Give our love to David Miscavige's wife if she's still alive. While you're at it Co$, you might ask her how she feels about her mother's death. I mean, clearly it must be the work of Xenu that she "committed suicide" by way of 3 shots to the chest and one to her head, using a rifle that was too long for her arms' length, after she declared a planned lawsuit against the Church of $cientology.
Google: Flo Barnett
#26 Anonyviking
on April 14, 2008 at 6:51 a.m.(Ljubljana, Slovenia | Unverified Name)
"Finn equated the demonstrators against the Church with former members of other faiths such as Catholicism and Buddhism. She pointed out that all faiths will have ex-members who will speak out against past beliefs.
“You find that in all religions,” Finn said."
You´ll also find that outside of Wahabist Islam, such former members are not harassed, hounded by PI's, their pets are not killed and they are not buried under a mountain of lawsuits and slander in the press.
Scientology is the only western "religion" immature enough and insecure enough in it's doctrine to always attack their critics and not their arguments.
The Church of Scientology HAS TO GO. Dianetics can stay, but it's practice has to be free of charge, just like any other religion or philosophy.
#27 True Terryeo is True
on April 14, 2008 at 7:34 a.m.(None, Israel | Unverified Name)
Hi,
I am the real Terryeo and not all the above.
There are solid facts that Scientology is a criminal organization which victimizes it's followers.
See this Link:
www.scientology-victims-testimonies.com
I want to cheer up anyone who stands up against this evil organization and remind you that the next protests are on MAY 10TH.
Thank You,
-The Real Terryeo
#28 Terryeo's friend
on April 14, 2008 at 8:23 a.m.(Miami, FL | Unverified Name)
Hey, quit spoofing Terryeo. Let him have his say. Is that typical Anonymous behavior?? Trying to ridicule, shut up, and drown out critics? Pot to Kettle. Come in, Kettle. Over.
#29 Pat Harney
on April 14, 2008 at 8:35 a.m.(Downers Grove, IL | Unverified Name)
Sandy, teenagers on steroids with nothing better to do than be religious bigots and MySpace hacks on a beautiful wasted day was the message from February. Freewinds changed that to "redirect media attention back to the humanitarian efforts of the Church so we can get donations because the bill for the private investigators is boning us DRY."
Did you not get the memo? Come on, girl. Get with the program.
#30 Not Terryeo's Friend
on April 14, 2008 at 8:39 a.m.(Grand Rapids, MI | Unverified Name)
I'm sure it would be easier to respect Terryeo if, since he claims to be a Scientologist, he answers some of the very legitimate questions the other commenters are raising, rather than dodging the issue and spouting cut-and-pasted rhetoric.
That is, unless the questions are unanswerable without incriminating both Terryeo and Scientology's methods of operation. If that's the case, then he's probably better off continuing with the rhetoric.
#31 bgodley
on April 14, 2008 at 8:49 a.m.(UW Campus | Unverified Name)
As a Scientologist, I want to help expose the disinformation that the rotten part of my organization has been spreading. It is truly a shame that the good things about Scientology are being vastly overshadowed by the nefarious deeds of the Office of Special Affairs (OSA.)
I am bgodley, and I am Anonymous.
Terryeo is Anonymous, too.
Terryeo and I have both had a remarkable awakening, and as a result of the Anonymous movement, we have stopped defending the "Church" of Scientology.
However, be warned that there are agents of the OSA still trying to post using our monikers.
Anonymous has helped us feel welcome, and they continue to help Terryeo and myself by exposing these false posts that are made in our names.
This behavior simply shows how utterly desperate the OSA has become in the face of so much TRUTH about Scientology coming out on the Internet because of Anonymous.
Google SCIENTOLOGY FAIR GAME to learn more about OSA tactics.
Thanks Anonymous!
#32 an anon
on April 14, 2008 at 8:51 a.m.(Fairfax, VA | Unverified Name)
Thank for you for this article. Anonymous has been organizing and implementing worldwide protests for three months now, it is great to finally see our efforts gaining coverage!
And to Scientology: please stop calling me a terrorist. The fact that you're ousting fellow anons of mine by publicly announcing their names, calling their homes and sending them threatening mail makes you far more of a "terrorist" than I could ever be.
What have I done for Anonymous? Done research on Scientology, contributed to ideas, printed out flyers, participated in peaceful protests, and eaten delicious cake.
A simple comparison to draw. I have no intent to ever target any single Scientologist, ever. In the meantime, every time I bumped into one on the street during our 4/12, my picture was immediately taken. I hope you have a good album, as well as my good side.
See you on 5/10! This time I'll be sure to scratch my nose under my mask a few times, maybe it'll look like I'm "digging my own gold" across the street of the Church of Scientology. Hope you'll like my contribution.
#33 Teeryeo
on April 14, 2008 at 8:51 a.m.(Tucson, AZ | Unverified Name)
TERRYEO IS A SCIENTOLOGIST OSA AGENT. FOR MORE ON THIS CULT MEMBER CHECK OUT:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/...
#34 Terryeo's Husband
on April 14, 2008 at 9:04 a.m.(Netanya, Israel | Unverified Name)
I am urging that ***** to quit Scientology for a long time now, but until now she refused and threatened to disconnect from me. Recently she has come to her senses and we now working on escape plan.
#35 Terryeo
on April 14, 2008 at 9:51 a.m.(Alameda, CA | Unverified Name)
It is a little bit like talking to children who do not understand adult language, yet. They squabble amongst themselves about a word thrown before them. Because they seek a little emotional excitement in their lives, I point out the vast playfield where they can have real adventure. What do they do? They prefer lies and slander to truth because they are convinced there is no other source of adventure and fun. The planet is large, in a far field the grass grows green, flowers are blossoming and children play in the sun.
#36 Moneen
on April 14, 2008 at 9:54 a.m.(Johannesburg, South Africa | Unverified Name)
I quit after over 40 years.
I felt I had enough.
A time comes when participating in anything enough becomes enough.
Otherwise it becomes a habitual routine.
I don't regret the experience as it taught me alot.
I don't regret other experiences that also taught me things.
Life is a learning experience no matter what route a person takes.
#37 Terryeo's other husband
on April 14, 2008 at 10:03 a.m.(Manchester, United Kingdom | Unverified Name)
will you two come back to bed
#38 Alvin Tostig
on April 14, 2008 at 10:18 a.m.(Portland, OR | Unverified Name)
If you look at both sides of this argument I place my money on the side that says:
"Please do NOT take our word for it. Please use Google to look up the available information about the other group and DECIDE FOR YOURSELF."
Anonymous is transparent and has no leader.
Can the Church of Scientology make either claim?
If Anonymous hates the beliefs of Scientology, why does Anonymous offer to educate members about Freezone Scientology?
If Anonymous is so rampant at vandalism and atatcking Scientology property how come none of their hundreds of security cameras have captured any such thing?
Anonymous finds the unique sweetheart deal they made with the IRS to be a violation of the establishment clause. No other church is allowed to write-off their "religious services" and "religious education." You should find out more about this corrupt deal.
Anonymous finds the fact that Scientology claims to be a religion totally absurd so long as they run slave labor camps (RPF), spy-on / harass / stalk / sue / destroy members, ex-members and critics, use lie detectors to discover any "thought-crime" by their followers, abuse and neglect their own children en-masse as well as forcing non-scientology family and friends to be disconnected from their loved ones.
Anonymous doesn't care what people think of Anonymous and any past shenanigans that may have been done under their name.
Anonymous only cares that people become aware of the totalitarian, corrupt and sinister nature of this Corporation that retains an army of Private Investigators and hides behind the guise of a religion.
#39 Alvin Tostig
on April 14, 2008 at 10:22 a.m.(Portland, OR | Unverified Name)
The Daily should check on what happens to old Scientologists and Co$ staff members that can non longer contribute?
I notice they don't really have an old age home, pension or retiremement plan.
#40 Terryeo are Legion
on April 14, 2008 at 11:18 a.m.(Miami, FL | Unverified Name)
We are Terryeo. We are Legion. Look for us on May 10. We will be the ones with masks.
Ps. Fair Game was canceled many years ago.
Oh No, you say, only the term was canceled, all policies related to the handling of SPs remained in effect.
Yea but . . .
There is no other policy that has anything like "May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."
Can you show me one?
No, you cannot. All current policies deal with the manner in which an SP might be reinstated and such.
There is no current policy that has anything to do with sanctioned "fair game" type activities.
Fair game was canceled years ago.
signed
Not Terryeo after all.
#41 observer
on April 14, 2008 at 11:28 a.m.(Ashland, KY | Unverified Name)
Could it be that these spokespersons for the COS at the protests attack Anonymous instead of speaking intelligently about their "religion" and themselves because they are in fact mindless drones that have been brainwashed and do not know what else to say? It seems to me that an organization that appears to exert so much control over its members and does not allow the open flow of information and knowledge is destined to bring about its own destruction.
#42 Anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 11:28 a.m.(Seattle, WA | Unverified Name)
Nice Scientology ad on the right banner. Could that be construed as being biased?
#43 Thristy Thetan
on April 14, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.(Memphis, TN | Unverified Name)
To # 41, Not Terryeo after all
The PL's for "Penalties for Lower Conditions" and "Cancellation of Fair Game" are quite clear in their meanings. The only mystery here is why you are so dense that you can't even look at real data. Actually, there's no mystery at all. If Hubtard didn't tell you to think it, it has to be wrong.
It is perfectly clear from the policy letters themselves (and therefore the mind of Hubtard) that the PRACTICE of "Fair Game" was not altered, but merely removed the use of the words "Fair Game" in relation to the condition of "Enemy" and SP declaration. To reiterate from the PL:
"ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."
"FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations. This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP."
TT
#44 lololinternets
on April 14, 2008 at 11:52 a.m.(UW Campus | Unverified Name)
congrats in making this a front page article in the print newspaper :)
there's another protest on may 10th by the way!
#45 Not Terryeo
on April 14, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.(Miami, FL | Unverified Name)
Thirsty, we can do without the insults (ad hominem arguments).
It is my belief that HCOPL 18 October 1967 Penalties For Lower Conditions was canceled long ago but I cannot check that now (I would need to look in the policy books). I will let you know later. Let's assume for a moment that that 1967 HCOPL is indeed canceled.
I asked you for any currently in-force policy that sanctioned any sort of "fair-game" activity - by which I mean encouraging Scientologists to harass or harm declared SPs. Can you show me one? I don't think so.
All you have is a 40-year policy that Scientologists say again and again was canceled and is meaningless.
All you have is that and insults.
NT
#46 The Daily
on April 14, 2008 at 12:40 p.m.(UW Campus | Unverified Name)
The ad on the right was placed by Google as part of the AdSense program, and not sold through The Daily.
#47 Thirsty Thetan
on April 14, 2008 at 12:53 p.m.(Memphis, TN | Unverified Name)
So you're admitting that the tech has been squirreled? Of course, everyone outside of $cilontology already knows that the asthmatic dwarf has been squirreling the tech for decades in order to sell more re-issues of the vomitous crap penned by Elwrong.
That would be the only way that the policy could have been cancelled, since it was in effect (and still is today) up to Hubtard's death in 1986.
Every time I read comments from $cilons such as yourself, it becomes more and more apparent that rank-and-file members have no idea what the evil organization behind $cientology is up to. To the evil cult of greed, you are nothing more than a stat. I'm glad you believe the auditing and courses you're doing accomplish some good in your life, although I personally believe everything that Hubtard ever wrote is garbage. If you're getting some simple form of psychotherapy that helps you, I'm happy for you. I can't stomach, however, the fact that $cilontology is the only religion that charges set fees for this therapy.
I'd further guess that you haven't reached the OT levels, where you learn that your reactive mind is nothing in comparison to the thousands or millions of dead alien souls that have attached themselves to your body. And you certainly haven't reached OT8, where you learn that all of your previous work as a PC, Clear and OT only bring you to the knowledge of what you ARE NOT, and it is now up to you to figure out what you ARE.
I'm sure you're also not aware that many people have gone insane once they read OTIII, as it is the first time they understand, that after having contributed (read paid fees) up to and over $300K, and find that $cilontology is, in fact, just another UFO cult.
But please, don't let that stop you from progressing up the Bridge (TM).
TT
#48 Not Terryeo
on April 14, 2008 at 1:24 p.m.(Miami, FL | Unverified Name)
OK, Thirsty, let's see what you have for us here:
1. Trying to put words in my mouth - I never said anything about the tech being squirreled. (Protip - "Fair Game" would be "policy", not "tech".)
2. Trying to upset me by giving me material off OT Levels that you presume is above my case level. If you think I am not OT as you state then that is a pretty nasty thing to do.
And all that to misdirect off my only question for you . . .
I asked you for any currently in-force policy that sanctioned any sort of "fair-game" activity - by which I mean encouraging Scientologists to harass or harm declared SPs. Can you show me one? I don't think so.
NT
#49 Curious George
on April 14, 2008 at 1:31 p.m.(Nottingham, United Kingdom | Unverified Name)
I hear lots of many acussation that Anonymous has made against the 'Church' of Scientology.
I have also heard Scientology call Anonymous a group of bored teens, who are also super hacker, elite terrorist, religious bigots, an International hate machine, funded by exNazis, big drug companies and the BBC. If true, I am just amazed that the Chruch is still standing. You guys must really have X-men powers to keep afloat.
Anyway, what I really want to know is this, are the claims of Anonymous true? All the stuff I read on the Internet says it is. Scientology seems quiet about it.... no comment. So does this mean it is all true? Does the Church of Scientology have any comment on Anonymous's claims?
#50 Joreal
on April 14, 2008 at 1:42 p.m.(Atlanta, GA | Unverified Name)
Anon #43, the Co$ is buying out anything with linkbacks to words like Scientology and Anonymous. There's literally no control over how to handle that stuff on the behalf of the people that run this website. It's set on a random rotation and the ads need to be clicked on a certain number of times to show that they've been used up before it goes away. Nobody's really clicking on it, thus it stays in the rotation and keeps coming up. Just ignore it, concentrate on the big picture, and hope that everyone else will do the same.
As to the Co$, everything that I could have said is pretty much already up there. Don't trust either side's arguments by themselves, do your own research like Anons and Scientologists alike did and make your own decision. We're not demanding that you become Anonymous, even if Scientology is doing their damndest to get you to try a free stress test before getting into that $300 personality test. We want you all to use your own discretion and think like the intelligent human beings you are, and look up some information before chucking your thoughts on the matter into the ring.
#51 Leif
on April 14, 2008 at 2:09 p.m.(Saint Petersburg, FL | Unverified Name)
Not Terryeo...
The current nefarious behavior of the CoS or one of it's Organizations in:
1)following protesters in order to find out who they are,
2)photographing and filming of peaceful protesters,
3)the volumes on video showing the immature bull-baiting and insulting of protesters by known high level Scientologists,
4)the blatant forgery of Anonymous video threatening the CoS,
5)lawsuits filed against peaceful protesters
6)the PI's hired to dig up info on protesters
7)the public revealing of at least one protesters name, address etc during a protest (and later mysterious death of his cat)
all of these things happening this year or last, PROVE to me that Fair Game under whatever guise, is still approved by the Cult of Scientology.
The end
#52 Anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 2:13 p.m.(Omaha, NE | Unverified Name)
i think the Daily of the University of Washington is a pretty cool guy. eh sticks to the facts and doesn't afraid of anything.
#53 LULZ
on April 14, 2008 at 2:35 p.m.(Galveston, TX | Unverified Name)
is what these coments are!!!
#54 anonymous
on April 14, 2008 at 2:39 p.m.(Steilacoom, WA | Unverified Name)
NT: Look at comment 44 again. From L. Ron's mouth to your ears.
#55 ಠ_ಠ
on April 14, 2008 at 2:46 p.m.(Omaha, NE | Unverified Name)
NT, aren't you out-policy right now, by talking to us about Scientology, instead of attacking us or trying to distract us off the subject? "Always attack, never defend", remember?
#56 Leif
on April 14, 2008 at 4 p.m.(Saint Petersburg, FL | Unverified Name)
And that's the last we'll see of NT...
#57 Sponge
on April 14, 2008 at 4:05 p.m.(Stockton-on-tees, United Kingdom | Unverified Name)
Hey what's the deal with the google ads syndication on this page? It's currently showing "Get the Facts: Scientology Video Channel". Come on, srsly?
Funny thing is that on the cult's clunky "video channel" it's got fake officials on it supposedly singing the cults praises. Their credibility was questioned in the mainstream media last month: See this...
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.p...
In summary: THE CULT LIES.
#58 aonymous9871
on April 14, 2008 at 4:31 p.m.(None, Japan | Unverified Name)
[In retaliation, the Church of Scientology released a statement explaining that Anonymous “destroyed the Web sites of thousands of MySpace users”]
And what of the OSA letters sent to Myspace having countless critics removed from myspace?
How do we know?
1. There are numerous Scientology groups on Myspace who discuss getting critics kicked (Google it).
2. I have friends who work for Myspace. Try getting my account kicked now Davey.
#59 Authority on the Internet
on April 14, 2008 at 6:18 p.m.(Netanya, Israel | Unverified Name)
To: aonymous9871
Do you know what will happen if Myspace "removes" critic's sites from Myspace? There will be no more Myspace! LOL... Myspace will not take this chance...
#60 Not Terryeo
on April 14, 2008 at 7:28 p.m.(Miami, FL | Unverified Name)
Hey guys
Sorry to bust all your force-fed stereotypes about Scientologists by coming back here to follow up.
OK, I looked it up. There is no current reference in Scientology policy to anything that could be considered "fair game".
And lets be clear about what we mean when we say "fair game". We are NOT talking about OSA harassing critics or perceived enemies by LEGAL means. Even if you do not like the means, it is legal and it is by the legal arm of Scientology. That sort of activity was not invented by Hubbard and is not "fair game".
No, when we are talking "Fair Game" in the world of Scientology criticism, we are talking something else entirely - we are talking about a free-for-all where any Scientologist is free to do anything they please to a declared SP, legal or not. That is how critics interpret the 1967 reference and that is what would be extremely objectionable.
You will be happy to know that, as of 1991, there is NOTHING in Scientology policy that could be considered to encourage or condone such behavior and the relevant policy that could even have been interpreted in such a manner was revised in 1991 to clarify that Scientologists are NOT exempt from Scientology censure if the break the laws of the land as regards an SP.
So what does the policy say, and what is "fair game" all about, i.e. what did the policy say before 1991 and what does it say now? Basically just this, someone that is an enemy of our Church is not entitled to use the remedies provided by the Church. If an SP has a problem with Scientology or a Scientologist they cannot ask the Church to address it but must use the normal court system. Also, Scientologists are free to use the court system to handle disputes with SPs, something that we are not allowed to do with one another.
That is it folks.
Of course those critical of Scientology would have you believe otherwise - that every offensive action by a Scientologist is somehow doctrine of the Church of Scientology. It is not. It is what it is. The actions of an individual or a group of individuals, sanctioned by the Church or not, but it is NOT some doctrine called "Fair Game".
So say that the Church harasses critics if you like. I don't think much of harassing critics but that is just me. But don't create this huge fiction called "Fair Game" that makes every Scientologist a party to every wrongdoing or perceived wrongdoing. Fair Game was canceled 40 years ago. If it were not for critics, no Scientologist would have ever heard of it.
NT
(sorry Terryeo for not stealing your name)
#61 Button Master
on April 14, 2008 at 9:24 p.m.(Roy, WA | Unverified Name)
Hey !! I am 42 and I could have had better things to do but none more important than showing my support and protesting against this evil group that calls itself a church with my fellow anons in Seattle. I WILL see the day when Scientology loses its tax exempt status and when the rest of the world sees them for what they really are....
#62 Thirsty Thetan
on April 15, 2008 at 7:03 a.m.(Memphis, TN | Unverified Name)
NT,
I never said that all individual $cilons are involved in "Fair Game"; some are in one way or another. Ever hear of the LEAF project? "Fair Game" can be as simple as a letter-writing campaign to spread propaganda. It's about squashing critical thought, & especially critical people.
I believe most who get involved believe they are doing good for the planet. They are deluded & misguided, but sincere in their efforts nonetheless. But there are numerous videos available showing harassment & bull-baiting from regular rank-and-file $cilons against peaceful protestors. It hasn't happened much during the anon protests; the Cof$ appears to be attempting to avoid a PR flap this time.
But the evil cult of greed, the organization & business of $cientology, most certainly deals in "Fair Game". There are mountains of documented evidence to support this, but you can't access it for fear of enturbulating yourself. As stated in my earlier post, you have no idea what the asthmatic dwarf & his minions are up to out at Gold & on the Freewinds, and that is by design. DM and his ilk want to keep you low-level clams ignorant & happy...as a clam, if you will.
Sorry if I ruined your case by telling you about the OT insanity, but my hope is that anyone reading this (including active $cilons) would recognize BS when they see it & stay far, far away. Unfortunately, early on in $cilon processing for the pre-clear, the BS detector is effectively disabled & the PC is able to swallow whatever is given to him/her. By the way, how did it go when you had to tell an inanimate object to get up & sit down? How did you enjoy being bull-baited, & bull-baiting a fellow PC? Did you do well mocking up your ideas on the clay table? How much did it cost you to learn to tell that ashtray (or whatever it was) to stand up & sit down, to scream expletives at a fellow PC & take it from one, to mold those eternal ideas in river mud?
It may be harsh of me to make fun of these practices & beliefs, but to most thinking people, they ARE ridiculous at face value; open to criticism &, yes, even crude comments. Free speech & all that, you know. Cof$ doesn't believe in free speech if it means their Sooper Sekrit Skrip-chers get into the open. The real problem is that the early processes & auditing set you up for the big con of the Bridge (TM) to Total Emptiness. Please have your major credit card or checkbook handy when you see the registrar.
Delving deeper into the mire only illuminates the evil intentions of ElWrong. $cientology, if practiced on a large scale, is a perfect model for a repressive, totalitarian state, making the regimes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao pale in comparison.
NT, my hope is that one day you'll awaken to the fact that you've been duped, & you'll get out & bring others with you. You have been sold a bridge to nowhere, & I'm certain you'll figure that our sooner or later. I sincerely hope it's not much later.
TT
#63 Not Terryeo
on April 15, 2008 at 8:14 a.m.(Miami, FL | Unverified Name)
TT, your post is full of bigotry and hate. I am actually glad that you show your true colors; your attitude is typical of that of internet critics. Let's take it apart, shall we?
1: No, "Fair Game" is not what YOU make of it. Fair Game is not a letter-writing campaign; Fair Game is not a Scientologist insulting a critic.
That is one tactic of the critic that we see again and again, setting up some "evil" Scientology straw man and then assigning every activity of the Scientologist to one of these straw men. In this wise, every group started by a Scientologist for any reason becomes a "front group", all self-betterment techniques become "brainwashing" . . . and every activity that the critic does not like become "Fair Game". A LETTER-WRITING CAMPAIGN? Give me a break.
Let's try this one more time. When we are talking "Fair Game" in the world of Scientology criticism, we are talking something else entirely - we are talking about a free-for-all where any Scientologist is free to do anything they please to a declared SP, legal or not. That is how critics interpret the 1967 reference and that is what would be extremely objectionable. Anything that could be interpreted as such was canceled long ago.
There is NO Fair Game in Scientology and has not been for many years. Critics alone keep it alive because while they constantly call for the Church to "reform" in actual fact they NEVER acknowledge when changes ARE made.
2: The rest of your post is full of presumptive and insulting comments about me personally (more ad hominem attacks) and misrepresentations of Scientology.
I especially like that old saw about the ashtray. Anyone that really knows anything about Scientology knows that the drill is about learning what a commanding tone of voice and attitude is and is not and you scream for a bit to learn that a commanding tone is not about volume - it is all about the intention behind the words. A valuable lesson but one that critics love to take out of context.
As far as giving me OT data, you might like to think that in some way damaged me but no worries. And yes, taking isolated bits out of context can make something look ridiculous. So what. Is Scientology BS? BS is in the eyes of the beholder. Everything you hold dear is BS to someone.
Scientology is simple. We start with the assumption that you are an immortal spiritual being that inhabits and controls the body. We wonder if there is any way to improve the abilities and condition of the spiritual being much in the same way that you can apply diet and exercise to improve the physical body. So if you think our opening premise is BS it is only going to get worse from there.
Best
NT
#64 Oeyrret Ton
on April 15, 2008 at 10:29 a.m.(Hamilton, Canada | Unverified Name)
Not Terryeo, props to you for actually responding to questions and not just throwing insults.
You're totally free to embrace your faith, but I am curious about your thoughts on Freezone.
Also, not to trigger any thoughts in the back of your head, but you have pondered this:
"If my religion is the way to happiness for myself and others, then why on earth does the public have such an overwhelmingly negative opinion of my faith?"
I don't mean any disrespect, but please consider answering that question for yourself.
#65 Thirsty Thetan
on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.(Memphis, TN | Unverified Name)
NT,
We have reached an impasse on the "Fair Game" subject. Let's get to a few other points, shall we?
I don't believe revealing OT to you in this forum can harm you. Having it revealed to you in an org in a locked room will cost you dearly, however. If you pay up front, get ready to spend large coin for these "services". Or you could join staff or the SO & take your training for "free". That is, until you no longer produce, in which case you are offloaded & handed a freeloader bill. Or you wake up and leave staff or SO of your own volition, then you'll still be hit with a freeloader bill.
I've read all of the OT material, & I didn't get pneumonia & still haven't died. Maybe ElWrong got it wrong? You seem to be pretty upset with me for talking OT, though. Maybe that's the real danger: rank-and-file membership sniffing BS before it can be properly sold.
If you think about what you've learned from Dianetics, you'll see that eliminating the reactive mind only represses the part of you that is most human & likable. But it's just a sham, as you can only partially repress your humanity with Dianetics. Your humanity is still there, deep inside, waiting to be let out again. A life of doublethink & thought repression is what's in store for the $cientology adherent. That's why so many have had psychotic episodes when finally shown the sekrit texts. All that mind-play to rationalize all the wrongs you've witnessed, and you finally find out it REALLY IS JUST A UFO CULT!
With all this said, I still have no problem with you or anyone else believing this nonsense. I have the same regard for Ron's Org & the FreeZone. Dianetics and Scientology are pure drivel from the mind of a madman. But you can believe it if you want.
I don't believe that the Cof$ should get tax exempt status beyond ALL OTHER religious entities in the US. I don't believe any "church" should spend a large part of its operating budget for private investigators & attorneys. I don't believe any "church" should be able to keep secret their primary doctrine until the member has been stripped of all ability to recognize they're being duped. I don't believe any "church" should use multiple shell companies & front groups to launder money & hide operations. I don't believe any "church" should send volunteers to disasters who are untrained, bring no supplies, & basically just get in the way of real aid. Geez, I could go on, but this conversation can serve no further purpose. One day you'll realize how you've been duped, you'll recognize how heavily you've been regged for "donations", you'll see all of the things that are just wrong, but for now you rationalize because it's the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics. Too bad $cientology is really designed only to extract the most money for its own coffers.
Regards,
TT
#66 Anon
on April 15, 2008 at 11:25 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm certainly enjoying TT and NT's dialogue here.
I just hope NT doesn't get caught explaining things.
#67 Thirsty Thetan
on April 15, 2008 at 12:11 p.m.(Memphis, TN | Unverified Name)
Anon #68,
Thanks for the comment. I really want people to focus on the outrageous actions of the evil cult of greed. Even though most of the missions and orgs are virtually empty, they must still be considered a danger to society. There are very good reasons that Germany sees $cientology as an anti-democratic organization. Here in the US, perhaps we're just a little too tolerant, or a little too easily bullied by teams of PIs and attorneys.
But I also want the wogs reading this to really take to heart what I've written, specifically in regards to Dianetics and $cientology stripping away the personality in order to create little RonBots. It's a trap, and the more people that learn of it before possibly getting sucked in, the better.
As for NT explaining, this is quite unusual. Members are normally discouraged from researching on the Internet for $cientology-related material. They are fed a shore story that everything they'll find there is just lies and propaganda funded by psychs or nazis. If NT were OSA he would never attempt to defend anything. And he might rail about psychs and psych drugs and the worldwide conspiracy that's against $cientology.
So I'm guessing he's just a run-of-the-mill public $cilon who has no clue about the inner workings of the nefarious crime cult. In other words, maybe there's a chance he's not been fully indoctrinated and still has some of his higher mental functions intact. Then again, the mind control has held many intelligent people for decades, always striving for that next level that will finally answer all their questions.
I hope my various diatribes here have answered some of those questions in advance.
Regards,
TT
#68 Bellevue
on April 15, 2008 at 12:35 p.m.(Chicago, IL | Unverified Name)
Just a few points.
1) Names/terms do not matter, whether mine or whatever one calls harassment and intimidation of so-called "critics" of scientology (scn). It is the message and practice, respectively, that are important. I wish all would stop making an issue of fair game; it just enables those responsible for such behaviors to deflect from them by arguing over the irrelevant status of the fair game *policy* and thereby avoiding discussion of its actual *practice.*
2) Contrary to Scns' distorted perceptions of wogs & wog law, hate crimes are not about the expression of hate. First ya gotta *have* a CRIME!! And objecting to impersonal policies and practices cannot EVER constitute one. Hate crimes, or criminal acts motivated by hate, must be directed at individuals to qualify.
But such linguistic terrorism is par for the Scn course, according to which phony phone calls, website attacks & peaceful protests over *issues* are regarded as the moral equivalent of flying 747's into the WTC, Nazism and a KKK march.
#69 Leif
on April 15, 2008 at 1:25 p.m.(Saint Petersburg, FL | Unverified Name)
So, NT...
Are you admitting that Fair Game was a policy 40 some years ago?
Interesting.
Answer please...
#70 Not Terryeo
on April 15, 2008 at 3:21 p.m.(Miami, FL | Unverified Name)
Leif, I cannot say what was policy 40 years ago or if that policy "PENALTIES FOR LOWER CONDITIONS" ever existed (I am not necessarily saying it did not, just that I could find no record of it in a decent Scientology library). There is no mention of it in the 1991 index or in the 1980 index which, I think, is the earliest available index of policies. There is mention of "Fair Game" in the 1980 index and I checked the relevant policies both in their 1980 form and in their 1991 form. By 1991 all mention of Fair Game was removed completely. If I look at the 1980 versions of the relevant policies (not the one TT mentions as I could not find anything related to that but other policies) I see that the main intent is what I already mentioned - that the enemy of Scientology has no recourse to Scientology justice. That is what the policy calls "Fair Game". The 1991 revision removed the term "Fair Game" completely. So I am not arguing for or against what might have been extant in 1967, I am saying that since at least 1991 (and likely before that too) there has been nothing objectionable in Scientology doctrine called "Fair Game" or called anything else or called by no name at all. It is a fiction.
Bellevue, on your first point I agree with you. Stop trying to paint Scientology or Scientologists as a whole with the "Fair Game" brush and concentrate on specific individuals and actions and call them what you will (as in regular English words like harassment or whatever) and we can see if we agree or disagree on that.
Bellevue, on your second point I do not know who you are addressing. I have not accused anyone of any crimes although I did point out that TT's posts are hateful. Which they are.
I will say this however; the Church has accused Anonymous of bomb threats, death threats, etc and those threats themselves are real crimes. Anonymous has a history of death threats and bomb threats I believe. So while you ("moralfags") might be simply peacefully protesting you cannot know what others ("hatefags") are doing and you cannot say that the Church has not received these threats from Anonymous persons.
NT
PS As far as me "getting in trouble", well I would not want to be a part of a group that would censure me for telling the truth or communicating freely. I have no fears.
#71 Anon # 68
on April 15, 2008 at 3:38 p.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
Really, NT?
Then who are you? If you have no fears, then why hide.
We are Anonymous. We oppose, and so We disguise ourselves against an opponent which has already attempted to harm Us.
You have no fear? We are surprised.
#72 NT
on April 15, 2008 at 3:53 p.m.(Miami, FL | Unverified Name)
I have no fears of my group. I do not care to disclose my identity to teh internet any more than you care to disclose your identity. You don't care to, right? Enough with the empty rhetoric please.
NT
#73 Anon #68
on April 15, 2008 at 4:37 p.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
NT;
You first. lulz.
#74 Terryeo
on April 16, 2008 at 3:01 p.m.(Los Angeles, CA | Unverified Name)
My name is Terryeo and I am no longer a Scientologist. I used to think criticism against Scientology was a crime, in fact they told me it was "entheta" which is a scientology term meaning very bad.
But I read the truth and I realized I had been duped all these years by a dangerous criminal organization. If anyone is the terrorists it's scientology
haha downstat
#75 Zezili
on April 17, 2008 at 6:11 a.m.(Flower Mound, TX | Unverified Name)
Any organized "religion" is a very dangerous thing - it is all about mind control.
#76 Nadreck
on April 18, 2008 at 1:54 p.m.(Auckland, New Zealand | Unverified Name)
All this discussion about the "fair game" policy
being canceled or not is missing a vital point: that only someone with knowledge of and access to the top management of Scientology such as me would know, and that is that the leader of Scientology, David Miscavige, seized power over the Church in a coup following L.Ron Hubbard's death in 1986, ruthlessly removed or destroyed any opposition to his total control by both overt and covert means, and has become the corrupt dictator of the whole organization.He continually over-rides policy by direct decrees that violate it and has personally
ordered 'declares' and 'fair game' of people who dared to challenge his authoritarian and despotic control. The bulk of Scientologists, both staff and public, know nothing of this. Nadreck.
#77 anonymoose
on April 25, 2008 at 3:14 a.m.(Edmonds, WA | Unverified Name)
"Remorse for what?" - Charles Manson
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5uhmtAmwnDQ
#78 Alvin Tostig
on April 25, 2008 at 8:06 a.m.(Portland, OR | Unverified Name)
Scientology only uses legal means to attack critics? Really? Spying on the US Government was legal? Hubbard's wife going to jail and L Ron fleeing the country were just misundertsandings?
Does Paulette Cooper ring a bell? Scientologists broke into her apartment, took typing paper with her fingerprints on it and typed up fake bomb threats to get her in trouble with the FBI. Why did they do this? Because she wrote a book about Scientology.
#79 Alvin Tostig
on April 25, 2008 at 8:09 a.m.(Portland, OR | Unverified Name)
Not-Terryeo - We've noticed that your top Scientology executives have a nasty habit of disappearing off the face of the Earth Not-Terryeo. Where is your spokesperson from last year named Mike Rinder? Nobody has seen him. (except maybe the FBI)
What happened to the L Ron's successors named in L Ron's Will named Pat and Annie Broeker? After announcing L Ron's death they've never been seen in public again.
How about your anti-protester OSA agent pit-bull Mary DeMoss? What happened to her?
What happened to David Miscavige's mother-in-law?
What happened to David Miscavige's brother and sister-in-law? Oh yeah, they bailed out of Scientology and are missing or in hiding too.
People disappear from Scientology faster than they do in The Firm. Sounds like a pretty scary group to be involved with. I hope they don't "disappear" you too.
#80 Alvin Tostig
on April 25, 2008 at 8:10 a.m.(Portland, OR | Unverified Name)
Not-Terryeo, you claim that non-Scientologists are ignorant about current Scientology policy. This implies that your organization is transparent enough for outsiders to find out what your core beliefs and policies really are. As we all know this is completely untrue due to you the fact that litigation is hard-coded into your "church" doctrine. You don't litigate to win your case, you litigate to harrass your opponent just like L Ron ordered you to. We Wogs have a name for that.... frivolous lawsuits clogging up the courts. Bravo. Take a bow.
You say Xenu is a fake story, there is no abuse or fraud and that life for Scientologists is all sunshine-rainbow-colored unicorn-rides all day long. Then we see tesimony from people who have spent their lives under Scientology oppression come out and say that not only is all of what we said TURE, but that things in Scientology are far worse than what we said. (Google Astra Woodscarft, Jesse Prince, Jenna Miscavige, Tory Christman, Robert Vaughn Young, Stacy Brooks, Kendra Woodcraft, Lawrence Woodcraft, Jason Beghe, etc.)
#81 Alvin Tostig
on April 25, 2008 at 8:16 a.m.(Portland, OR | Unverified Name)
Not-Terryeo - Since you appear to believe the public can access the transparent inner-workings of the Scientology organization, how are things going there these days? Like you claimed yourself... you have nothing to be afraid of from Scientology right? Have you been hit up to mortgage your home and property to pay for increased security, P.I.'s, lawyers and to finish the long-stalled Super-Power building in Clearwater?
Most of the Scientologists I've talked to have been bled dry by all the fund-raising the last year or two by taking out 2nd and 3rd mortgages. Of course the credit crunch and real estate collapse is causing a lot of trouble for them these days, but that's okay because it's all for Scientology right?
Must make you pretty steamed to see David Miscavige romping around on The Freewinds Scientology's 8,000 ton luxury cruise ship when the Seattle Org can't get their new buidling moving forward and the current Org looks like a stiff breeze will make the walls fall over.
By the way, might want to tell your managers that the angled barbed wire at the Org on Aurora facing the wrong way. It's pointed toward the Org and not toward the sidewalk. You only do that if you are trying to keep people on the inside from getting out, not the other way around. Want to share any info about that?? You have nothing to fear from Scientology right?
#82 Alvin Tostig
on April 25, 2008 at 8:20 a.m.(Portland, OR | Unverified Name)
If the bomb-threats, suspicious packages and vandalism by Anonymous mentioned in the Scientology DVD is such a problem why haven't we seen the footage of these acts from the dozens of security cameras that surround each Org? We're still waiting for an answer to this. I've never even been able to walk by the Pike St Dianetics Store / Stress Test booth without being videotaped so don't tell me you don't monitor everyone who gets near your property.
The DVD put out by Scientology claiming to show a YouTube bomb threat from Anonymous has already been thoroughly proven to be a fraud. The "captured" YouTube footage included on the DVD was of sharp, clear brighter quality at 4 times higher resolution than the clip that was briefly posted on YouTube. That's a pretty neat trick.
But feel free to cry "Wolf!" to the FBI all you want. It just means they'll see what you really stand for and what the people fighting against your abuses really stand for.
#83 Alvin Tostig
on April 25, 2008 at 8:23 a.m.(Portland, OR | Unverified Name)
I don't have to search through secret, copyright-protected Scientology policy letters to see the goons brought in by Scientology to physically push us around last weekend. These goons pick-pocketed us looking for our ID or other identifying information.
Several Seattle Anons had the pleasure of this experience and it was far from the legal means of defense you spoke of. But no matter, we talked to the Seattle PD, they have cameras all over downtown so they'll be taking care of the problem for us. :)
By the way, the Seattle police have been very kind, helpful and sympathetic to Anonymous. It seems like the Seattle PD doesn't like the games youn play anymore than we do. So by all means keep doing what you are doing. When your opponent is making a huge mistake one should never interrupt them right?
#84 Alvin Tostig
on April 25, 2008 at 8:27 a.m.(Portland, OR | Unverified Name)
Finally there's the little problem of Shawn Lonsdale. This longtime vocal Scientology critic gets "suicided" by carbon monoxide just 6 days after the biggest and most successful anti-Scientology protest ever? Don't tell us Fair Game isn't practiced anymore. It's just insulting to the intelligence of everybody reading this.
PS. Clusters, Body Thetans, Xenu, BTs, Marcab, Sec-Check, Clusters, Body Thetans, Xenu, BTs, Marcab, Clusters, Body Thetans, Xenu, BTs, Marcab, Sec-Check, Clusters, Body Thetans, Xenu, BTs, Marcab, Sec-Check.
#85 MoistCakeMaster
on May 11, 2008 at 8:42 a.m.(Perth, Australia | Unverified Name)
"Hating crime is not a hate crime" Epic quote, Anonymous #9!
One can easily find a free online copy of "A Piece of Blue Sky" by former long term $cientologist - Jon Atack.
This will give you a (disturbing) history of Scientology from it's beginnings. It's painfully researched and referenced and shows how little has really changed since L Ron created it.
Similarly, "The Bare Faced Messiah" is co-written by L Ron Hubbard Jnr and it is NOT for the faint-hearted! The guy's own son knows from personal experience that his father was an evil, psychotic, fraud who practiced black magic. (Hey, I'm not making this up - L Ron was VERY close friends with Aleister Crowley! I'm an atheist too so it's not a Christian agenda.)
Tell your friends, your family, and for God's sake - Hug your mother before $cientology says you can't anymore!
Freedom of religion = GOOD
Mind control, fraud, and disconnection = BAD
#86 epicnoseguy
on June 2, 2008 at 2:13 a.m.(Albuquerque, NM | Unverified Name)
Anonymous has been videotaped doing sexual things with e-meters and pissing on a church.
see epicnoseguy.com
#87 jkfukf
on June 6, 2008 at 3:39 p.m.(Chisinau, Moldova, Republic of | Unverified Name)
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