By
Jeff Dickson
September 27, 2007
I see them everywhere. Like a confused Tonka toy that lost its way and somehow ended up on the 'big kid' road, it putters timidly down the street at a blazing 30 mph.
Yes, I'm talking about the one and only Toyota Prius.
The problem with the Prius is not that it relies on hybrid fuel sources to minimally propel its 12-inch wheels; it's that it looks like a hybrid.
Instead of developing a car that downplays its less classic means of propulsion, Toyota has gone with a completely opposite approach by turning the look of the Prius into a trademark symbol for hybrid lovers everywhere.
It has become a badge of honor in the green community, sending the message: "I am willing to drive an extremely unattractive car in order to save the environment from the costly fumes your H2 Hummer is wheezing into our air."
I can't go from campus to Pacific Place without inevitably passing at least a dozen triangle shaped automotive monstrosities.
There are plenty of cars that are both electric and fossil fuel powered, but the difference is that they still look like a normal vehicle. Take the Ford line of hybrids, for example. They look exactly like their less fuel efficient counterparts, with one exception– — a tiny green leaf next to the emblem.
With the overdependence on foreign oil that has our country in an economic, social and international strangle-hold, automotive manufacturers, especially American based companies, should devote more time and money to the development of technology that will relieve us from this crippling handicap. But the efforts to overtly flaunt such commitment to the future shouldn't come with such a sacrifice of performance and style.
Lexus, which ironically is owned by Toyota, has developed a luxury hybrid sedan called the GS 450H. Its 3.5 liter V6 engine produces 340 horsepower and goes 0 to 60 mph in 5.2 seconds, while still maintaining a lean stylish physique.
Basically, not only is she beautiful on the outside, she's also a good person who eats right, cares about the environment and goes to Husky games with you on Saturdays.
Contrast that with the 110 horsepower Prius that goes 0 to 60 mph only when it's on a downhill slope. The Prius is like the ugly girl who kicks puppies and makes you go to Saturday book clubs instead of the game.
I think we can all agree that given the two choices, there really isn't a question about which to pick.
Then why do people, like Washington Rep. Norm Dicks, still pick the car that loses races to grannies in wheelchairs and hurts innocent puppies?
The Prius boasts that it will achieve a shocking EPA-rated 46 miles per gallon. However, my beloved red Volvo S40 T5 manages about 35 mpg, despite my extremely aggressive stop-and-go driving. Given a normal driver the rate would be just less than that of the pious Prius.
The two cars' prices are about the same, yet the Volvo has more than double the horse power. Combine these stats with the obvious fact that the sporty, red Volvo runs away from the Prius in a beauty competition, and you have a clear, decisive winner.
The Prius' frequency level has reached epidemic proportions because its symbolism has become associated with the grotesque appearance of the green machine. It has become an icon for the eco-movement.
It is almost expected that within 3 weeks of buying a Prius, the owner will affix his or her "Save the Whales," "Give a Hoot Don't Pollute" and "Just Say 'No' to Styro" bumper stickers to the back bumper.
This was epitomized in July of this year when economic activist leader Al Gore's son was arrested. Although he was arrested for DUI and drug possession charges, this was not what highlighted the headlines. Instead, the real story was that his Prius somehow managed to reach 100 mph during the police chase.
Prius owners don't buy the car in order to save gas and help the environment; they buy it in order to show everyone else in the world that that is what they stand for.
The people who really care about those commendable efforts are the ones who are willing to pay an extra $7,000 to make their new Ford Escape a new Ford Escape Hybrid, without broadcasting to the world that they did so with a sub-par body styling.
It is said that the true heroes are the ones that do what is right when they know that they will not be recognized for doing so.
I recommend that people who don't care about the falsified glory of a staged sacrifice buy a car that looks good, drives well and is truly better for the environment. Or better yet, take a real step, and be a true green hero by taking the bus instead of purchasing your not-so-silent symbol of protest.
Prius owners need to stop flaunting their glory. The reason most people would buy a car that moves like a Vespa and looks like a Fisher Price reject isn't so much that they care so much about the environment, but they want to be recognized as a great environmental martyr.
[Reach contributing writer Jeff Dickson at opinion@thedaily.washington.edu]
54 Comments
#1 Dan <11011011>
on September 28, 2007 at 2:24 p.m.(Fort Collins, CO | Unverified Name)
This being an opinion piece, I realize that fact checking is not stressed or even enforced, but I think that this pieces is filled with a sufficient amount of inaccuracies to voice mention. I'll spare you any data-dump listing facts and inaccuracies, since it is after all, an opinion piece. My main complaint with the article is that the author seems to want to stress two mutually exclusive opinions. The first opinion is that we are over dependent (I question if "overdependent" is a valid word) on foreign oil. The author declares this view here: "With the overdependence on foreign oil that has our country in an economic, social and international strangle-hold..." The author then continues to express disdain for efficient hybrids, while espousing the virtue of the power hybrids and SUV hybrids here:
"Lexus, which ironically is owned by Toyota, has developed a luxury hybrid sedan called the GS 450H. Its 3.5 liter V6 engine produces 340 horsepower and goes 0 to 60 mph in 5.2 seconds, while still maintaining a lean stylish physique.
Basically, not only is she beautiful on the outside, she's also a good person who eats right, cares about the environment and goes to Husky games with you on Saturdays.
Contrast that with the 110 horsepower Prius that goes 0 to 60 mph only when it's on a downhill slope. The Prius is like the ugly girl who kicks puppies and makes you go to Saturday book clubs instead of the game.
I think we can all agree that given the two choices, there really isn't a question about which to pick."
and here
"The people who really care about those commendable efforts are the ones who are willing to pay an extra $7,000 to make their new Ford Escape a new Ford Escape Hybrid, without broadcasting to the world that they did so with a sub-par body styling."
The point of the authors conflicting views that confuse me has to do with mention of his Volvo which he has emperical data supporting an efficiency rating of 35 MPG, expressed here: "However, my beloved red Volvo S40 T5 manages about 35 mpg, despite my extremely aggressive stop-and-go driving. Given a normal driver the rate would be just less than that of the pious Prius." The point of irony is that both the Lexus 450h and Escape Hybrid get worse fuel efficiency than he is already getting in his Volvo (23 MPG and 30 MPG respectively).
As an opinion piece, I won't challenge facts, but I fail to see how the author can support is opinion that:
1) We should use less oil.
2) Non-Hybrids are capable of 35 MPG.
3) People who care about reducing oil consumption should buy stylish hybrids.
When these opinions conflict with the fact that neither of the hybrids he supports get above 35 MPG. Moving from his Volvo to a Lexus would consume more oil, not less.
As a tongue-in-cheek article it is amusing, but as an opinion piece the author his conflicted, holding two opposing views.
Sources
Opinion Piece: http://thedaily.washington.edu/artic....
Ford Escape Efficiency: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008c....
Lexus 450h Hybrid Efficiency: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008c....
#2 donee
on September 28, 2007 at 6:49 p.m.(Glendale Heights, IL | Unverified Name)
Hi All,
The Generation 2 Prius has 15 inch tires standard, and the Touring edition has 16 inch wheels.
The tires look smaller, because the car is so much larger than people think a 5 door hatchback can be. A Prius has more leg room than the late model Monte Carlo's by a fair amount, for example.
Its not news to automotive engineers that lighter weight tires and wheels lead to better fuel economy. The standard 15 inch rims and tires have the load capacity neccassary for the Prius as the car weighs about the same as the much smaller Saturn SL2 (which used the same size tires), thanks to use of aluminum in the hood and hatch as well as an ultra high strength steel chasis.
#3 Dave Estrada
on September 30, 2007 at 7:35 a.m.(Culver City, CA | Unverified Name)
I think Jeff Dicksons article is written from a narrowminded point of view. The first four letters of his last name seem to be an indicator of his "bone-headed" opinions. I have said many times that I did not buy my 2005 Prius to save the whales. I bought the car when Arnold Shwarzenegger signed the HOV sticker law into effect. No looking back for me and my wife. We drive the hellish freeways of So Cal and save fuel, time, and money by driving the Toyota Prius. Who the hell cares about what Mr Dick-son drives around? If my car choice helps the environment then that is a plus, a plus I am happy to be a part of. Someone mentioned that the author may have some shortcomings that he is trying to deal with by driving some macho machine that burns rubber and belches manly smoke. I support the authors right to his opinions, after all, there are no laws against acting stupid. And guess what, surprise surprise, many of the Prius drivers are NRA members, Republicans, Conservatives and moderates, as well as some environmentalists and Christian Conservatives too. Democrats and Libertarians all drive this neat little car. I can't apologize for the look of the Prius, I did not design it. But it seems to me that looking good is more important than anything else the narrowminded author can think of. Too bad. Gas is on the rise again, good luck with your Vulva.
#4 Tony Arntz
on September 30, 2007 at 7:48 a.m.(Parramatta, Australia | Unverified Name)
Why are you guys even reading this trash. This joker knows so much about cars that he actually drives a Volvo. In Australia, they are known to be totally oblivious to the traffic around them. Especially those behind, as they potter down the road. We Prius owners can often become frustrated by drivers attempting to achieve puny handbook mileage from their gas guzzlers while accelerating away from the lights, because, while the Prius never promised to be a racing car, it is willing to get back up to the speed limit quickly without fuss and without jeapardising fuel consumption.
Some people can't get away from the 20's styling of some Chrysler vehicles. Others are still stuck in the 80's with the boxy style similar to Volvos, but the way I see it, if you are going to build the first 21st century car, it should be streamlined, have a good inside/outside size ratio and look futuristic. So what's he saying again?
#5 Christopher Hogan
on September 30, 2007 at 8:04 a.m.(Oakton, VA | Unverified Name)
For me, the greatest hidden benefit of the Prius is that it has vastly improved the gas mileage of all my friends cars -- based on what they now tell me. Almost incredible the number of 40 mpg cars there are out there, now that I own one that actually gets 48. Case in point here -- somehow the Volvo V40 (EPA mileage 21 overall, as you may check on wwww*fueleconomy*gov) morphed into a 35 mpg gas miser -- if we're discussing the Prius that is. With a lead-footed driver, just for good measure. asy, with a lead foot to boot. Shoot, just park that Volvo between two hybrids and the next thing you know it'll be manufacturing gas instead of using it.
#6 Harry
on September 30, 2007 at 9:13 a.m.(Hornell, NY | Unverified Name)
The author can't even spell Toyota! He's obviously never driven a Prius, or he would know his claims that the car is slow are nonsense. For example, when you pass in a Prius, you get the benefit of using two motors, the conventional 1.5 l and the electric motor, which supplies an abundance of torque. I was pleasantly surprised at how fast my Prius is, and I can beat many cars "off the line," thanks to the large amounts of torque instantly available from the electric motor.
The author made this ignorant statement, "The problem with the Prius is not that it relies on hybrid fuel sources to minimally propel its 12-inch wheels..." The Prius does not rely on "hybrid fuel sources," it burns 87 octane gasoline, the same as any car, with the exception of those that require higher octane fuel.
And what fuel economy numbers is the author comparing? For example, my conventional Civic can get 39 mpg highway, but it probably averages 35 mpg at best. I've gotten more than 50 mpg in my Prius for many months now, on every single tank of gas, day in and day out, without exception. Match that with a Volvo!
Harry
#7 PatSparks
on September 30, 2007 at 9:39 a.m.(Sydney, Australia | Unverified Name)
Spend a week or two with a Prius then come back to me with your opinion. Wait a minute, it will take 3 weeks to use a 40 litre tank of petrol! I'm guessing you think Ford F150s are a stylish well built vehicle suited to every driver. Shut your mouth and open your eyes.
#8 Tracy
on September 30, 2007 at 9:48 a.m.(Edmonds, WA | Unverified Name)
This piece of tripe doesn't even deserve a response. What an amazingly bad article. This is so full of non-sequiturs I can't even count them. To think while I was a student at the UofW, I actually delivered this paper every day around the campus. This is really just shameful and discouraging.
#9 Mac
on September 30, 2007 at 10:40 a.m.(Bedford, TX | Unverified Name)
Just about everything I would say about this inane, very poorly written article has been already said.
The phrase Jeffy needs to learn is "Fact Check". (Do they still teach this in school?) I wonder where his editors were? Or (God forbid) HE is an editor. If that is the case, the state of journalism at UofW is in very sad shape.
**TOYOTA**, not "Toyta". Jeez!
I bought a 2 year old Prius with leather and side impact bags for 18,000 when the cost of has hit 3.30/gal for regular. This was simply an effort to save money with a daily 140 mile round -trip commute. It's very comfortable, quiet at highway speeds, (good sound insulation, not the quiet ride of electrics at low speed)
The monthly savings in gas alone more than covered the difference in my new, higher, monthly car payment.
I know that you are learning a craft here. You have a lot to learn. This confirms my belief that one of the biggest problems in moder journalism is that too many people write about issues they do not understand.
Mac.
#10 Mac
on September 30, 2007 at 10:40 a.m.(Bedford, TX | Unverified Name)
Just about everything I would say about this inane, very poorly written article has been already said.
The phrase Jeffy needs to learn is "Fact Check". (Do they still teach this in school?) I wonder where his editors were? Or (God forbid) HE is an editor. If that is the case, the state of journalism at UofW is in very sad shape.
**TOYOTA**, not "Toyta". Jeez!
I bought a 2 year old Prius with leather and side impact bags for 18,000 when the cost of has hit 3.30/gal for regular. This was simply an effort to save money with a daily 140 mile round -trip commute. It's very comfortable, quiet at highway speeds, (good sound insulation, not the quiet ride of electrics at low speed)
The monthly savings in gas alone more than covered the difference in my new, higher, monthly car payment.
I know that you are learning a craft here. You have a lot to learn. This confirms my belief that one of the biggest problems in moder journalism is that too many people write about issues they do not understand.
Mac.
#11 Brittani Blumenthal
on September 30, 2007 at 11:26 a.m.(Broadview Heights, OH | Unverified Name)
I am a Prius owner and LOVE my car. There is nothing anyone can say or write to change that fact. However, the author here is sorely mistaken in his viewpoints and needs to be corrected about several things - including his use of the word "ironic."
The following statement is taken from Wikipedia, in reference to the commonly improper use of "irony," and I agree with it entirely: "It is currently quite common to hear the word ironic used as a synonym for incongruous or coincidental in situations where there is no 'double audience,' and no contradiction between the ostensible and true meaning of the words." I often notice the way people misuse "irony" and how they throw it around without fully understanding its meaning.
I think a more accurate use of "irony," in this situation, involves the author's viewpoint in contrast to the audience's viewpoint. We could call it tragic or dramatic irony as Wikipedia defines it:
"Tragic (or dramatic) irony occurs when a character on stage or in a story is ignorant, but the audience watching knows his or her eventual fate..." So here, the author is the unwittingly ignorant character and we, the Prius owner's, are the knowledgeable audience. This is definitely a stretch of the definition, but much closer than the author's use.
I agree with the other comments that have been posted in regard to how quickly the Prius is able to accelerate and pass any other vehicle when merging onto the highway. I also agree that the design is a PLUS. My brother has the original Honda Insight, and I always admired its futuristic look. I laugh whenever I pull into my father-in-law's driveway and he yells out, "The Jetson's are here!" It makes me smile, as does driving around town, noticing other Prius' on the road, and waving to them in excitement. I love the feeling when a fellow Prius owner sees me and waves. It is like a special club....just like Larry David pointed out in that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, when he waved at a fellow Prius on the road.
So, no matter what any ill-informed person may say, I love my Prius and always will....I'm sure when this one is on its dying legs, I will upgrade to the next generation Prius that gets 180-200 MPG!
#12 mrg
on September 30, 2007 at 1:01 p.m.(North Richland Hills, TX | Unverified Name)
All the other comments posted here I agree with. It disturbs me no one else was offended about being compared to a puppy kicker, if we drove a Pruis. That was a sick statement. People have the right to have their opinion, but that was bad journalism, and a stupid remark.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You don't have to like my choice of cars.
I did not buy a Volvo after I drove one. I have owned two prius and still own one after I drove one.
#13 BuddyL
on September 30, 2007 at 2:47 p.m.(Daytona Beach, FL | Unverified Name)
Obviously he is compensating for a small penis otherwise why own a Volvo? My god a Volvo! What a piece of crap. I had a PT Cruiser that looked better but couldn't get out of its own way and the best it could get was 26 mpg if you didn't use the air conditioner. The Prius gets 48 and I haven't shut the AC off since I've had it! Oh and I always pass Volvo's. You are writing an article for a newspaper and you should check your facts even if it is an article expousing your personal views. Some people prove there idiots by speaking foolishly, you sir have provided a written record.
#14 M. America
on September 30, 2007 at 3:17 p.m.(New Prague, MN | Unverified Name)
Misspelled words aside, this article is factually flawed. The hybrid automobile is the way of the future. The Prius is decades ahead of any American car. By the way, the Ford Escape that the author recommends uses the same drive train as a Prius built by Toyota Motors.
#15 Rob S.
on September 30, 2007 at 5:31 p.m.(Phoenix, AZ | Unverified Name)
Wow. That is one of the most poorly written things I've ever read on so many levels. The author clearly has little grasp over the mechanics of writing, the art of persuasive writing, or the subject matter on which he is writing. I don't really either, but then I didn't submit this atrocity for publication. I hope for his sake he wasn't getting graded on this, or his graduation may be somewhat delayed.
When I walk out of my door in the morning, I am fortunate enough to have a variety of vehicles to choose from for my commute. For fast, there is the Subaru WRX wagon. For big there is the Land Rover Discovery. For cruising there is the Saab Turbo Convertible. And then there is the Prius. Since it arrived two weeks ago, the car I have decided to drive every day has been the Prius. Not because I have to, not because I'm a martyr, because it is the one I most enjoy driving. Its fast enough to keep my right foot happy. Its quiet, and comfortable. Its roomy enough to carry around all the people and cargo I need. It also happens to get more than double the mileage of any of my other vehicles (4x the Land Rover).
Even as a verbally challenged engineer, I know if you're trying to convince someone of something consistency of message is key. I think thats where this piece really falls flat on its face. The authors key points are apprently:
1. Prius owners buy a Prius because of how it looks, not because its efficient, clean, cheap, and fun to drive. How arrogant and shallow.
2. People should buy less efficient, more expensive vehicles because of how they look (like regular cars). How selfless and noble!
3. We are overdependant (sic) on foreign oil, and it will be our downfall.
4. People who drive a Prius slow to get 60-70mpg using 3-4 times less foreign oil than the average driver are losers. They are just showing off.
5. The Prius is ugly, slow, expensive, and poorly made because I read it on the internet.
6. My Volvo is way better, because its mine and I'm insecure.
7. You should all buy Volvo T5s, because I get 35mpg even thought the EPA rating is 23mpg. People that do not drive as hardcore as I do will probably get like 50mpg.
8. Al Gore is a loser because his son got pulled over doing 100mph in a slow ugly Prius.
9. People who really care about saving gas, money and the environment should buy:
a. Volvo S40 T5 w/ EPA 23mpg for $28,000
b. Lexus GS450h w/ EPA 23mpg for $55,000
c. Ford Escape Hybrid w/ EPA 30mpg for $26,000
10. They should not buy a $22,000 46mpg Prius because as I said they are ugly.
I take it all back. This is clearly a very convincing set of well thought out arguments.
#16 patrickindallas
on September 30, 2007 at 6:04 p.m.(Plano, TX | Unverified Name)
You must be an engineering major. There is no way a student of any one of the Humanities could seriously come up with this drivel. Or maybe you're not really a student at all.
#17 RosM
on September 30, 2007 at 6:12 p.m.(Rockville, MD | Unverified Name)
"The problem with the Prius is not that it relies on hybrid fuel sources to minimally propel its 12-inch wheels; it’s that it looks like a hybrid."
It's probably just as well I haven't found a gas station that sells hybrid fuel because I've managed to go much faster than 30mpg in my Prius using regular gasolene.
#18 Pat
on September 30, 2007 at 9:02 p.m.(Lexington, KY | Unverified Name)
The reason that the Prius looks like it does is so that it can cut through the wind. It's drag coefficient of 0.26 is lower than any other car except the Honda insight.
And my Prius can get 60 MPG.
#19 Ben Smolke
on October 1, 2007 at 2:05 a.m.(UW Campus | Unverified Name)
Amen brother. I too am tired of venturing out on the roads and seeing a ugly little car struggling to keep pace with me on the freeways of Seattle. With many other options out there I wonder why so many people still turn to the Prius and your article provides good insight about people wanting to show how environmentally friendly they can be with their wallets.
#20 M. B.
on October 1, 2007 at 7:49 a.m.(Palo Alto, CA | Unverified Name)
When you see an "ugly car" that is 'struggling' on the freeway you're most likely looking at what it can do, not what it can't do. The problem is only the driver is seeing what it can do, and that's via a display that's showing him/her how much fuel they're using .. or more to the point not-using. While those outside simply see a car which is not going fast enough for their liking.
The Prius can get up to speed, it can move, is it going to have the same move as another similarly weighed car with a larger engine? Uhh no, automotive 101 here. Drivers simply don't always choose to make pedal touch floor mat because for whatever reason they decide that slow acceleration is fine enough. They realize that regardless of what some people think, freeway is not latin for '20mph faster than the posted speed limit in as quickest amount of time'
Is the Prius 'ugly' eh.. opinion, I think the new VW is ugly, all those behemoth SUVs which are look like they were designed with nothing but rectangular Legos are ugly, Mr. "I got a Hemi" is an ugly car. But then again if you're that worried about how ugly a car looks maybe you're simply incapable of thinking outside the box, and should stick to the opinion column of the newspaper and not try to write real work.
#21 doc3osh
on October 1, 2007 at 1:49 p.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
My 2004 Prius gets 46mpg WITH a lead foot. With a light foot I easily break 50mpg. The GS 450h uses the electric engine to boost power a little, but basically you'd be lucky to consistently get over 25mpg, and it costs $60K. Not exactly a fair comparison. (Also, it kinda whines a lot when you really get it going...)
I've never noticed a speed problem in the Prius. It's basically the same as a 4-cylinder Camry. Sure it's not exactly fast, but I have no problem passing people on merging on highways or whatever. When I bought the Prius I traded in a Mitsubishi 3000GT, so I am familiar with fast. The Prius is slower than the GT. So what? The GT was much smaller, and much more expensive to fill up. Everything's a tradeoff.
Do Prius buyers want to make a statement? We ALL make statements with the cars we drive-- statements about what is important to us and what we are willing to spend money on, just as we all make statements with the houses we build, the clothes we wear, the women or men we date. Prius drivers are no more and no less obnoxious than Hummer drivers. But the key is, Prius "early adopters" make their statement to Toyota-- saying (loudly) "HEY, we'll buy this technology, keep making it"-- and we've said it so loudly that Ford heard it, and FINALLY, GM is hearing it too. This is what early adopters do-- we give the manufacturers confidence to invest the money to get to where EVERYONE will want it. In about 2009 the next-gen Prius will be ready, with Lithium-ion batteries that are lighter, more powerful and cheaper. When that happens, you'll get your wish-- hybrids will be indistinguishable from other cars... Except by that point a few other vehicles will be out: The all-electric $98K Tesla Roadster will be available for the rich and famous, and for the $25-30K mainstream the 100mpg V-1 from Venture Vehicles (www.flytheroad.com) and the 230mpg (!!!) Aptera (www.aptera.com), and then there's the $17000 Loremo (150mpg). All of these will be major departures from even the new, hybrid mainstream... and again there will be early adopters... and again there will be people like you to ridicule them...
Bottom line-- we're at war, and whatever you think the reasons are, you'd be absolutely kidding yourself if you think oil has nothing to do with it. The world is heating up-- fast. By 2050 the last Polar Bear will likely drown from Arctic sea ice being completely gone. So between helping our troops, helping our planet, helping asthmatics breathe easier... why don't you become part of the solution? We need all the help we can get. Your article? Not so helpful.
#22 Marc Viz
on October 1, 2007 at 3:03 p.m.(UW Campus | Unverified Name)
First, I would like to say to all these upset people that this is the opinion section so don't be dumb enough to write that Mr. Dickson "needs to learn to write an unbiased article." This is like asking a sports journalist to stop talking about football. Second, just because we're at war doesn't mean you need to buy an ugly, gutless vehicle to SHOUT to the world that you're trying to do your part. Prius drivers should try being humble about their contributions, its much more satisfying. Lastly, as a car enthusiast, I want to stab myself in the eye with a dinner fork every time I see this car that has most certainly gotten several designers fired, turned fashion statement by Americans, knowing full well there are cars that are attractive, exciting to drive and get gas mileage near, if not better than the Prius without screaming "I'm so insecure I need to let everyone on the road know I'm helping our country out so I feel good about myself." Keep your problems to yourselves and drive a car that is able to toss the passengers in the back seat around a little. If you think the Prius has zip, go test drive a German car, cause you haven't lived.
#23 Micheal S
on October 1, 2007 at 8:23 p.m.(Lubbock, TX | Unverified Name)
If we are at war, the best thing we can think about is how others view of our vehicles. Because thinking about how attractive a person's vehicle is does a lot to help us in this war. By the way, if you had bothered to read through several of the comments, the design is not meant to make a statement. Rather, the design was to make one of the most aerodynamic cars and a 4-5 person vehicle in a small exterior. What is your example of cars that are attractive yet get better gas mileage than the Prius. Based on the EPA tests (which are the only objective comparison...anecdotal accounts don't count..http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bestworst.shtml) has the closest minicompact car is 27/36 compared to 48/45 a difference of 78%/25% better for a car that is double the size? If people buying the most efficient car on the road bothers you because you don't like the looks or the statement you think it makes, then maybe you should spend mer time looking in the mirror rather than driving a German car so you can say you lived. If Prius owners just driving around and correcting erroneous statements about the Prius is being prideful, what is your definition of being humble?
#24 Hector Philebot
on October 1, 2007 at 11:26 p.m.(UW Campus | Unverified Name)
I think Jeff Dickson has made a valid point and I think that all of these comments, with the exception of a few, are forgetting one very important thing. This is an opinion column at least it was the last time I checked the top of this page. I believe that one comment actually says that Dickson should be writing in an opinion column instead of a newspaper. Obviously this guy has no right to be commenting on this article if he doesn't even know that it is an opinion. The other thing is that most of these comments are trying to defend the Prius's fuel efficiency, however no where in the article does Mr. Dickson say that the Prius gets bad gas mileage. The only thing that he bashes on is the style and look of the car. NO ONE can tell me that Prius is a stylish looking car, that is exactly what Dickson's point was.
#25 Jon
on October 2, 2007 at 1:44 p.m.(Washington, DC | Unverified Name)
Mr. Philebot,
Mr. Dickson is certainly entitled to his opinion. And others are entitled to point out that it is moronic. You don't get an automatic pass on drivel by calling it an "opinion." Indeed, the more extreme and counter-factual your opinion appears, the more in behooves you to provide adequate support for it if you care to promote it publicly.
He is not merely stating an aesthetic judgment on the car. If he had merely stopped at stating that he finds the car ugly, I doubt he would have received so may responses. You can make a good case that the car is unattractive.
But he chose to plow on from that simple subjective observation into an indignant condemnation of both the car itself and everyone who drives one. He based this argument entirely on factual errors, foolish comparisons, and childish rhetorical assaults on Prius owners. So I find it hard to muster much sympathy for him. That larger point is offensive and not supported by his "argument."
And he does misleadingly imply that the Prius gets mediocre mileage, by comparing it unfavorably to cars that do. It's as though he suggest that a seven foot tall basketball player is not much of an improvement over a five-footer. Preposterous. Foolish to even propose it. Deserves a spanking.
#26 Jon
on October 2, 2007 at 1:45 p.m.(Washington, DC | Unverified Name)
Mr. Philebot,
Mr. Dickson is certainly entitled to his opinion. And others are entitled to point out that it is moronic. You don't get an automatic pass on drivel by calling it an "opinion." Indeed, the more extreme and counter-factual your opinion appears, the more in behooves you to provide adequate support for it if you care to promote it publicly.
He is not merely stating an aesthetic judgment on the car. If he had merely stopped at stating that he finds the car ugly, I doubt he would have received so may responses. You can make a good case that the car is unattractive.
But he chose to plow on from that simple subjective observation into an indignant condemnation of both the car itself and everyone who drives one. He based this argument entirely on factual errors, foolish comparisons, and childish rhetorical assaults on Prius owners. So I find it hard to muster much sympathy for him. That larger point is offensive and not supported by his "argument."
And he does misleadingly imply that the Prius gets mediocre mileage, by comparing it unfavorably to cars that do. It's as though he suggest that a seven foot tall basketball player is not much of an improvement over a five-footer. Preposterous. Foolish to even propose it. Deserves a spanking.
#27 Helen
on October 5, 2007 at 8:59 a.m.(UW Campus | Unverified Name)
Al Gore is an "economic activist leader?"
#28 Sam Sharp
on October 8, 2007 at 1:42 p.m.(Morley, MI | Unverified Name)
A very lousy article concerning the Prius. Maybe Jeff has too many letters in his last name. I'm a few thousand miles into my 2007 unit and I love it. Toyota has done a lot of things right. I've always been a Chrysler or GM fan but I got tired of replacing transmissions and finding intermittent problems time after time and then paying horrendous repair bills.
The Prius drives great and I love the quiet. I can listen to the stereo and actually hear the dynamic range of a cd. Long trips, short trips, 49 mpg, and yes it almost teaches you to be a better driver than you ever were.
It just makes sense to use all of the improvements made in the internal combustion engine in over a century (along with the fuel infrastructure) and then make a large leap by combining the electric motor and the possibility of using the electric grid and better and better batteries to finally make a difference in our oil usage. I believe that hybrids and plug-in hybrids are at the right place at the right time to help us bridge the gap between fossil fuels
and our future power sources. It will be interesting to see what people will think of hybrids 20 or 30 years from now.
Sam Sharp
#29 Sam Sharp
on October 8, 2007 at 1:42 p.m.(Morley, MI | Unverified Name)
A very lousy article concerning the Prius. Maybe Jeff has too many letters in his last name. I'm a few thousand miles into my 2007 unit and I love it. Toyota has done a lot of things right. I've always been a Chrysler or GM fan but I got tired of replacing transmissions and finding intermittent problems time after time and then paying horrendous repair bills.
The Prius drives great and I love the quiet. I can listen to the stereo and actually hear the dynamic range of a cd. Long trips, short trips, 49 mpg, and yes it almost teaches you to be a better driver than you ever were.
It just makes sense to use all of the improvements made in the internal combustion engine in over a century (along with the fuel infrastructure) and then make a large leap by combining the electric motor and the possibility of using the electric grid and better and better batteries to finally make a difference in our oil usage. I believe that hybrids and plug-in hybrids are at the right place at the right time to help us bridge the gap between fossil fuels
and our future power sources. It will be interesting to see what people will think of hybrids 20 or 30 years from now.
Sam Sharp
#30 Ben Smith
on October 9, 2007 at 12:16 p.m.(Keller, TX | Unverified Name)
I've owned my "Toyta" Prius for 3 years and truely enjoy every aspect of the car, from the design to the 500 miles I can drive without a fill up.
I have a question for the Author. Are you serious?!
"Hybrid fuel" "0 - 60 on a downhill slope"
Hybrid's run on the same gasoline as all other non-deisel vehicles, petrol. They accelerate just as fast as any other normal sedan on the market.
You are either extremely ignorant and hateful or this article is a hoax. With the age of intolorence we live in I'm guessing the former.
These are the type of people who support intolerant braindead homophopic racists as our leaders. While all along, these leaders are popping pills, hiring prostitutes, and having bathroom liasons.
I'm more than willing to bet Jeff is a closeted Prius driver. Driving his Prius only in the cover of night and writing articles about how much he hates the vehicle by day. Maybe he's mad that he can't find that special Hybrid Fuel.
#31 pruis hater
on October 18, 2007 at 10:21 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
pruises suck. Hummers rock. pruises look like japenese fish. Hummers kill terrorists. I drive a H1 and get 2 mpg. rock on!
#32 jebidiah smith
on October 18, 2007 at 10:26 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
I completely agree with pruis hater. I don't see what is wrong with all you wussies. beyaaaah!
#33 prius hater
on October 18, 2007 at 10:28 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
oops! I spelled prius wrong. It is spelled P-R-I-U-S for all of you gullible idiots.
#34 jeramiah simpkins
on October 18, 2007 at 10:32 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
I hate priuses there such cwappy machines people used to call me gulable for wanting one but i came around and bought a hummer because their amazing machines and get horrible milage.Keep on destroying the enviroment
#35 ahhnold swarzeneger
on October 18, 2007 at 10:33 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
Al Gore sucks. He says so much about saving the environment but he flys everywhere in a private jet that uses much more gas than the largest Hummer in the world.
#36 karen simpkins
on October 18, 2007 at 10:36 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
sorry about my sons comment before he is very daranged and passionate about things he doesnt have and can never afford once again sorry.
#37 barney fife
on October 18, 2007 at 10:37 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
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If you can't read this that means that you are a prius sucker!
#38 Andrew UK
on October 19, 2007 at 5:43 a.m.(Manchester, United Kingdom | Unverified Name)
Prius. A great car. On the speed issue the article is wrong but I am sure it just a wind up. Had a Mercedes c220 155bhp last week. Faster top speed if you want to lose you licence at 135 mph, but doesnt accelerate as fast as T3 Prius for which I swapped it. Its a shame they irk some non owners. Its a fun intelligent car.Difference is often difficult for some to deal with.
#39 The Real Jeremiah Simpkins
on October 22, 2007 at 9:53 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
Sorry about the really retarded comments. Those were posted by my Hummer loving friends. I really do love the Toyota Prius and can't understand why some people are fucking retarded!
#40 The fake Jeremiah simpkins
on October 22, 2007 at 9:56 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
sorry about by other personality i can be special ed sometimes once again sorry
#41 Will the real slim shady please stand up
on October 22, 2007 at 9:59 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
I love hummers so does borat "they crush priuses" I love hummers sorry i cant say that enough 10 mpg beeyah!
#42 jebidiah smith
on October 22, 2007 at 9:59 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
I am the tenth personality, i am sorry for the comments of the other personalities. I live in the 54st dimension where hummeres eat priuses for breakfast, oh wait they already do that here to.
#43 caleb simpkins
on October 22, 2007 at 10 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
my brova is a we tard
#44 fjohyiosjr
on October 22, 2007 at 10:02 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
tjhypsrtu
#45 jebidiah smith
on October 22, 2007 at 10:03 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
I love hummers.
#46 jebdiah smith
on October 22, 2007 at 10:07 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
can you mount a machine gun on top of your prius, NO!!!!!!
#47 john doe
on October 23, 2007 at 3:23 p.m.(Christiansburg, VA | Unverified Name)
Man, this jebidiah kid knows what he's talking about, unlike this "Andrew UK" guy. I mean what kind of last name is UK? What does UK stand for anywhay? Maybe it stands for "Undereducated KnuckelHead". All I know is that he sure sounds like one. Did your mama drop you on your head when you were little?
#48 cwap face (aka me)
on October 24, 2007 at 10:32 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
i love ethonal bio deisel priuses and solar panels why do people call me retarded, if so why am i retarded
thanks
#49 cwap face (personality #2)
on October 24, 2007 at 10:36 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
AHHFDHSTRHYSW!!!!!!?! I like biodeisel, ogylabolagey! UhhhhhhhhDuhhuhuhh! I LIKE TO DRINK BIODEISEL! OGLARETTONEBERATDY!
#50 The Real Jebidiah Simpkins
on November 29, 2007 at 4:25 p.m.(Goodview, VA | Unverified Name)
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#51 honda+prius=sucky cars
on December 3, 2007 at 10:22 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
hi im an overweight citizen i drive a honda but want a @#$@ing prius so bad I @#$t myself
Thanks
love
Jebediah @#$$ face
#52 cwap face
on December 3, 2007 at 10:27 a.m.(None, None | Unverified Name)
priuses rock (pause) Not
Love,
Borat
#53 52XXL
on February 28, 2008 at 2:56 p.m.(North Las Vegas, NV | Unverified Name)
What a bunch of ignorant posters. Especially Jeffey Dickson. The only green I care about is folding kind I put in my wallet after a trip in my wife's Prius. 48.9 mpg from Vegas to North Colo. 6 gallons from Vegas to LA, baby! Hummers, now there's a joke, unless you own the original. You H2 and H3 dweebs are buyin' Chevy Blazers and Suburbans with a different body style. HA HA HA. Anyone who thinks a Prius is slow or cramped has never been in one. For those who want to compare 100,00 mile costs w/300,000 for the life of a car, how about apples to apples. Buy all the fuel you want, I'll wave as I cruise by, silently.
BTW, 52XXL is my 1952 Ford F4 ton & 1/2 truck. Talk about a Hummer destroyer. Yes, it will hold a 50 cal in the bed or through the grille.
#54 Savoy
on April 16, 2008 at 3:08 p.m.(Novato, CA | Unverified Name)
I agree the cost of ownership is realized within 5 years and also at the pump immediately compared to hondas. Since there is a big movement with the entire country going green you should consider the 2010 plug-in Prius.
Here is a test drive review you can read on the Hybrid
http://www.thecarconnection.com/blog/...
Savoy
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